Building Paterson 8 in Dubai

[daryl_wilkinson]

No lowers when it was built. It had higher's to the GNAV goose neck.

[simon_jones]

Loco has no lowers, the gooseneck is on the stump at about 950mm off the floor. But she does have a high foredeck to support the stump, also D2's that join the mast just below lower spreaders. Loco also has a GNAV like a 29er instead of a kicker.

[ross_burkin]

Fuzzy has a stump. The king post exploded and the easiest way to get to max height (I was about 700mm under) was to drop in a stump and have solid lowers. The GN is on the stump but I might be putting a detachable GN on the mast for my smaller Fyfe main. From memory it's about 350mm shorter in the luff and boom is going set properly weired. It's going to be lovley to sail in breeze with that much room!

[doug1720]

Fuzzy has a stump. The king post exploded and the easiest way to get to max height (I was about 700mm under) was to drop in a stump and have solid lowers. The GN is on the stump but I might be putting a detachable GN on the mast for my smaller Fyfe main. From memory it's about 350mm shorter in the luff and boom is going set properly weired. It's going to be lovley to sail in breeze with that much room!

Thanks for the info and the picture.  Can you tell me how high the GN is from the deck? 

Doug

[doug1720]

Just a quick question.   Does anyone use a stump and not have the goose-neck on the stump?

I think the jib/main interaction is more important than it is usual given in comparison to mast height, particularly in lower wind speeds and high aspect ratio sail plans.   One Javelin has its boom around 250mm lower than any other and due to the rules the mast height is also lower by 250mm and it was particularly fast in lower wind speeds compared to other hulls of the same design. 

Doug, have you meet Rob Fordyce who is up in Dubai?

Rob had borrowed my V pump for the moth worlds and brought it back last weekend.  It was because of the discussions with Rob that got me thinking and going on the forum re stump.  BTW his old boat just won the Javelin Nationals!  Rob has offered to help me finish the build!

Doug

[Tim Noyce]

It's going to be lovley to sail in breeze with that much room!

On Taking Liberties the boom was 1.2m above the deck as that only had a small main on a full height mast. As you say Ross, it was very comfortable to sail with!

[dwlee]

What are you thinking?

Just curious more than anything as the trade-off is a little different with the hull, false-floor height and foredeck (or lack of) proportions are different to what you might see locally.  In 12s/Rs there is usually no false-floor or it is very low and the hulls are quite depth so the stump is freestanding with the goose-neck always on the stump.  This allows you to quickly change a rig if the wind strength changes as well as taking the forward loads on the boom due to the vang out of the mast reducing the bending.  Javelins only have a stump if they are deck stepping the mast to reduce the buckling length of the mast and to include the part of the mast that is replaced by the stump in the hull weight to reduce overall sailing weight.  In this case the goose-neck is always on the mast. 

Rob had borrowed my V pump for the moth worlds and brought it back last weekend.   It was because of the discussions with Rob that got me thinking and going on the forum re stump.   BTW his old boat just won the Javelin Nationals!  Rob has offered to help me finish the build!

It was Rob's Javelin I was talking about with the shorter mast than usual.  If you hadn't meet Rob I was going to suggest you track him down and have a talk with him :)

David

[doug1720]

Got the carbon on the bottom of the crew deck and had a trial fit.

Will look to get the mast mandrel this afternoon....helping sailability this morning!

Trying to add some pictures but cannot manage to do it...changed from last time?  Any help on how to do this now qould be appreciated.  I press the insert image button and it adds some HTML code but no dialogue box for browsing, etc.

Doug

[Phil Alderson]

Doug, the insert image button is for linking to images that are currently on the web. If you want to upload an image to the site you have to click on the "Additional Options" link below and that gives you the dialog to browse for pictures on your PC.

[doug1720]

I thought that was the way to add them but this option to browse is not turning up as an option!

Doug

[doug1720]

Just been out and bought a mandrel for stump... and mast!

Doug

[doug1720]

Hi,
Had a go at building the mast stump today.  Pump on all afternoon and evening,  Will see how it looks in the morning.

Planning to go for a long stump that has the GN at the top.  Solid lowers.

Will update with some photos when I can.

Thanks,

Doug

[Banshee Ambulance]

Good to hear a stump is on the way. It really is good to see a build coming along. Please can you post photos when you can? I am keen to see as many builds as I can before mine gets underway as there is limited info on post '05 builds on the site. Whatever you post would be a big help to all of us.
On a side note, it has been a long time coming but my build is getting going. I now know a lot more and have saved a lot of money by being patient. Racks and spars have been pretty much free! Foils have been purchased from a nice I14 owner. Degree ends 4th June, shame it isnt the 4th July, would be appropriate really! After that it will be Thunderbirds are go! Sorry to take over your thread but I thought news of another build would be a good thing.

[douglas_hassell]

Some pics.  Had to use my Blackberry as still have not found my camera battery charger

I have levelled off the bulkheads and topsides.  I spent quite a lot of time fitting the foam for the crew deck and then have carboned the underneath on the garage floor......ready to be fitted once I have the stump glued in.   

I am not in Dubai at the moment and hope to make some more progress this weekend.

Doug

[Will_Lee]

Good work!