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Offline BenR

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Making a start
« on: August 20, 2011, 09:49:19 PM »
Hi All,
I am new to the Forum, and hope to be new to the class soon.  I am looking to step up significantly from my Laser 2 and thought that a Cherub seemed like the way to go.  I turned up to Lee on Solent this morning and spoke to a couple of you (thanks for the help btw).  You have all but convinced me that Cherubs are the way to go and I am looking towards buying my first boat. 

My only real concern about sailing a cherub is that I am not the lightest of chaps and together with my potential crews (my brother or sister) we could be anywhere between 23 and 26 stone.  From what I have read on the class website, this is about the upper limit.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Ben
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Re: Making a start
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2011, 09:15:51 AM »
Hi Ben, welcome to the forum and I hope to the class. At 90kilos myself I will happily talk you through your options, get me on the contacts page ...

http://www.uk-cherub.org/doku.php/whototalkto

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2011, 02:42:21 PM »
Welcome to the class Ben. He is now the proud owner of Atum Bom

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2011, 03:25:09 PM »
Welcome indeed Ben. She's a fantastic boat.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2011, 03:33:31 PM »
Welcome Ben, if you want to meet your fellow Cherubers then a good number will be at Queen Mary at the start of October.  No better way to get your feet wet (and probably the rest of you).  There will be at least one other pairing of new boat and crew there so plenty of help and advice available.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2011, 06:54:38 PM »
So you listened to our advice.
Fortunately it was one of those rare ocations my advice was worth listening to.
We are in Poole so if you want any help just ask.
It will be a good idea to come to the inlands.
You will learn more in one weekend than in months on your own.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2011, 08:12:36 PM »
I can only agree with the previous comments, welcome to the class and please do come along to the Inlands, it is allways useful to see what others are doing. And you have bought a great boat.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2011, 11:03:54 PM »
Thanks all,
Absolutely thrilled with the boat.
Had a bit of a gusty first sail in her with Paul and despite spending the majority of the time swimming (mainly when I had the helm), I came out grinning from ear to ear.
Can't wait to meet more of you and find out more of what cherub sailing is all about.
I will most definitely be at the inlands and looking for all the advice and knowhow I can get.  Hopefully both my brother and sister will be down to crew so If anyone needs a (fairly novice) crew then I'm sure the one who isn't sailing with me would relish the chance to get out on the water for some practice.
Just to let people know, I will be based for the time being in Chichester harbour, but I am looking to find a club worth joining nearer to West London if anyone has any suggestions.
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Re: Making a start
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2011, 10:36:37 AM »
Ben,

We joined Queen Mary when we got our Cherub 3 years ago.   

Pro's - for cherub sailing it is pretty much ideal.  No mud, no sand, no chop, no tide/current, deep enough to capsize without digging your mast in the bottom and contrary to heavier boats launching and recovery is really easy in a cherub (easiest place we have sailed a cherub at).  Plus the club is very positive about cherubs and tollerated our learning curve.  Also there is plenty of space on the water and Sunday afternoons you have most of the water to yourself which is handy for twin wire blasting.  You would also have another cherub (us) for company.  I think we are the only regularly sailing cherub in the West London area.  You also don't have to do duties (though you can if you wish - do 4 and you get £100 off membership)

Con's not the most picturesque of places and there are cheaper clubs (but further away or with much less water).  Wind will be a bit shifty compared to the open parts of CH (but steadier than up by Itchenor) but you would find that in any inland venue

The only other local alternatives would be Datchet (noisy and even more concrete bowl than QMSC) or Island Barn (a bit on the small side for cherubing). 

See how you find sailing a cherub at QMSC at the Inlands

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 11:43:58 AM »
Hi Ben,

Welcome to the class. I live down in Clanfield so only about 15 mins from Chichester Harbour if you need any help at all, I've sailed Atum Bom a handful of times so it's not completely new to me. I am a member down at Netley SC, so although west of London... not West London, but we would be more than happy for you to come and join us down here at any time to do a bit of sea sailing.

Let us know how you get on, Atum is a great boat and you will not be disappointed! I moved from a Laser 2 to a Cherub a few years ago and my only real advice is hang on tight! :-D

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2011, 02:21:08 PM »
Hopefully both my brother and sister will be down to crew so If anyone needs a (fairly novice) crew then I'm sure the one who isn't sailing with me would relish the chance to get out on the water for some practice.

Ben, I think Andrew is borrowing Born Slippy for the event and looking for a crew. PM me and we can confirm things.

PS Congrats on the new boat. It was great meeting up with you at the end of the nationals, sorry we were to tired to take you sailing that day.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2011, 07:17:43 PM »
Hi Ben,

Your not alone coming to Cherubs from a more sedate class.  We've all done it at some point. I came from sailing an enterprise and had quite a steep learning curve.  In fact I would say we learn more everytime we sail. You do have to scare yourself a little to get it right but the buzz of getting it right is worth all the swims and practice.

The cherub class is the most helpfull and freindly class I've come across. Look forward to meeting you.


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Re: Making a start
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2011, 10:15:11 AM »
On the other hand, I hadn't sailed at all before cherubs. That meant I had no preconceptions about how a boat should sail, which was quite handy for my helm!
Needless to say, I love it, and the class is a great group of people. I hold Will and Lucy wholly responsible for our cherub addiction. If they hadn't fed us pizza this never would have happened.

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Re: Making a start
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2011, 10:31:04 AM »
So went out for the first time this weekend.  Wind was force 4-5 but steady, tide was about 5kn though which made things interesting.  Due to a really long narrow slipway at Thorney Island, it is not really feasible to put the sails up before getting in the water.  The idea was to get to the beach at Pilsey Island, and then put the sails up We initially tried to tow Atom behind my parents Wayfarer.  Practically capsizing (without the sails) and the tide put paid to that idea so we went back in for a jib.  Turns out you need both sails up in a cherub otherwise it has absolutely no steerage even though it went along pretty well.  Once we got the sails on, chest deep in a 5kn tide next to a mud bank, we spent a lot of time flip flopping about going further and further away from where we wanted to be.  I forgot to mention that this is in the middle of a 100 yd wide channel with boats moored every 50m in two lines.  Anyway, after a minor collision with a Cornish Shrimper, we managed to achieve our first successful tack and made back a bit of the ground we had lost to the tide.  Needless to say we went straight back in the drink again once we tried to tack again due to my eagerness to be facing in the other direction and not really waiting for my brother to unhook.  Finally we managed to string some tacks together and Sam (my brother) got the hang of playing the main for balance and we were off.  A few more tacks and we were out of the moored boats and away planing upwind  ;D ;D ;D

I LOVE THIS BOAT.  I can't honestly believe that it took me this long to upgrade from my Laser 2.  After trying to do a twin wire fly by to my parents on the beach (unfortunately with cameras in hand), we took a spectacular nosedive (I personally blame the t-foil, or my lack of knowledge as to what the hell I am supposed to do with it). 

Next it was time to take my sister (Charlie) out for a spin.  Now having successfully learned to tack on the way up to the beach, I was in a slightly better position to teach Charlie what to do.  The wind was starting to die a bit so we weren't both able to get out on the wires but it gave me a chance to work out which direction I was supposed to be pointing in.  We hadn't been in the water for a while so decided the fastest way to do this was to put the kite up.  As we were doing this I remembered a veritable gem of information that Paul had told me when he took me for a test sail.  "Always pull up your kite on land first to check you have it attached right. " Long story short, I had forgotten that the sheets have to go round the fore-stay and we went for a swim.  Whilst over I thought it would be sensible to try to remedy this situation.  After 2 more "intentional" capsizes, and a lot of tied up spinnaker the only option was to head for the beach before going back to Thorney.  It was well worth it.  With the ropes finally sorted we had a fantastic downwind blast for 5 mins all the way back to the sailing club.

I am definitely not sure I'm ready for racing yet and I need to bring Sam up to speed with the kite, but we will be there and having fun at the Inlands at the beginning of October.

When we were out on the water we realized that almost all of the bungee had seen better days so a quick trip down to the chandlers and it is bedecked in shiny new shock cord.  Also a problem with the end of one of the racks being cracked but until we can get some carbon to fix it with, a section of tube from a snapped laser boom fit inside exactly so hopefully that should hold it for the time being.

One thing that became very evident was that our 13 year old harnesses were not really up to the task.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good way to go, bearing in mind we don't really know which of the three of us will be sailing it? I was thinking of the Gill trapeze harness, it is not too bad on the price front and was a good fit when I tried it on.

Sorry for such a long post, I'm pretty exited  ;D
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Re: Making a start
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2011, 12:49:30 PM »
you've learnt a lot.

Pick your launch sites carefully.  Sometimes it is easier to carry the boat in on it's side and right it.
You can't sail very easily with just a jib and you can't go up wind at all. We've tried this.
Always check the kite ashore even when you think you've got it right.  ocasionally we all make mistakes.

It's rewarding to get a nice kite run on your first outing.

Our experience is practice makes perfect but initially you want to find a bit of water without to many boats on it and a rescue boat to hand.

Good luck