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Re: T Foils
« Reply #120 on: June 11, 2009, 09:38:50 AM »
On a similar topic, does anyone have a picture of how the control lines are set on Dan's boat?

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #121 on: June 11, 2009, 10:50:13 AM »
Thanks guys, I think it will be 'B'.

Off to exchange some more fittings... again.

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #122 on: June 11, 2009, 05:02:40 PM »
On a similar topic, does anyone have a picture of how the control lines are set on Dan's boat?


here's some....


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Re: T Foils
« Reply #123 on: June 12, 2009, 12:30:45 PM »
i was considering a course control through cleats led to the racks at B and a fine tune twisty grip on the tiller extensions.

i'm asuming that I wont get the course control right every time or that the conditions will change and a fine tune adjustment will be required at a point when you don't want to leave the rack or have your hands full.

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #124 on: June 12, 2009, 02:55:41 PM »
Ummm... I'm still trying to work out how to make a fine control on my system. ::)

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2009, 01:47:41 PM »
This what I am thinking about for the fine control system. but I've looked at this for too long and it's hurting my head. I think it works but other opinions would be good. Especially as I haven't sailed with a 'T' yet so have no experience of the twisting loads on the tiller extensions etc...


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Re: T Foils
« Reply #126 on: April 26, 2010, 08:30:23 PM »
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Re: T Foils
« Reply #127 on: April 27, 2010, 11:31:05 AM »
I think you will need some serious muscle to operate the fine control on that! Have you looked at Will/Lucys boat? That has a fine on the tiller. The fine looked like it once went to a twisty grip but is disconnected in this photo.

Sorry Will for posting spy photos of your lovely boat! 

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #128 on: April 27, 2010, 01:21:09 PM »
I think you will need some serious muscle to operate the fine control on that! Have you looked at Will/Lucys boat? That has a fine on the tiller. The fine looked like it once went to a twisty grip but is disconnected in this photo.

Sorry Will for posting spy photos of your lovely boat! 

sorry I'm failing to see what's going on in that pic.

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #129 on: April 27, 2010, 01:47:21 PM »
On Auntie, the coarse control line does not have a dead end.  Instead it terminates in a line that connects into a pulley system in the tiller (via the plastic bobble and loop shown).

The twisty grip on the in the tiller has leverage from twisty grip being bigger than spindrel system and also a couple of blocks, resulting in an "umpty to one" force magnification by the time it leaves the tiller (and connects to the bobble) .

This way the flappy gantry can  be moved by the coase control (on the cleat at "dumpty to one") and by the fine by twisting the tillers and moving the dead end of the coarse line (at umpty to one x dumpty to one ).

Connecting via the bobble means that if the twisty system fails it reverts to coarse only.  I am sure someone else can supply the umpty and dumpty values , I think these are both of the order of 16.
Hope this helps.

EJ will have the same coarse fine system, except I have not yet managed to fit the fine bit. Last weekend it became obvious that now I am on the wire a lot more I am not able to work the cleat systme as I did in BS, so implimentation will be imminent.

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #130 on: April 27, 2010, 01:48:28 PM »
You see the bobble at the top of the purchase, that looked like it once went to a spindle on the tiller (extensions attached) which provided some fine adjustment. The other end of the purchase goes to a cleat on a swivel in the centre of the boat for coarse adjustment. Will should be able to confirm. IIRC the spindle was not a straight cylinder but had a shape similar to a crankshaft in an engine so that the twisty grip was sort of self locking at single turn intervals.  

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #131 on: April 27, 2010, 01:50:33 PM »
Sorry for repeating Born Slippy.

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #132 on: April 27, 2010, 05:15:32 PM »
Computer is cooking something about some Swedes, so I can reply to this.

Rope 1 (3mm D12): Bottom of transom>block on bottom of gantry>block on bottom of transom>block on top of gantry>top of double floating block.

Rope 2 (4mm D12): Cleat for coarse adj on deck>half of floating double block>block on deck> other half of floating double block>another block on deck>block at top of gantry>bobble and loop.

Rope 3 (1mm vectran): Hole in middle of 8mm stainless spindle>round spindle a few times>ties to loop with bobble.

Action 1: Twist 18mm tiller extn>pulls vectran>pulls bobble>pulls Rope 2 from top. This is about 45:1 purchase. 
Action 2: Pull rope 2 from bottom. This is 20:1 purchase.

This works ok, but the bearings on the UJs are the biggest problem. They are now balls of rust. New ones coming!

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #133 on: April 28, 2010, 07:28:32 PM »
rusty balls Will?

better than no balls at all, might explain why my twisty isnt perfect !

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Re: T Foils
« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2010, 09:52:37 AM »
Its not the ball bearings which are now balls of rust - its the entire ballrace!  :-\