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Offline daryl_wilkinson

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PBO rigging
« on: June 23, 2009, 10:34:08 AM »
What type is anyone using? Smart rigging etc? if not what splices / terminations are being used.

Anyone using Maffioli VZ? http://www.gottifredimaffioli.com/en/products/yachting/vz.php

What special precautions are people using against UV?

And what do people think of it in general?

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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 09:13:12 AM »
PBO comes in lots of different flavours.

1) The Kiwis have bought reels of monofilament and wound their own shrouds up and down up and own, over two screws the right distance apart. This is then pulled up inside some kind of outer, with a loop sticking out of each end. Thimbles are then put in the ends and pigmented spabond or similar covers the fibres as they go round the thimbles. I like this approach, but we could not source the stuff in time. I now have the number of a supplier somewhere.

2) We have some braided PBO a lot like the VZ above. We use it for uppers, lowers and D2s. Shroud and forestay are stainless. We have had no trouble with these, and the mast lives outside. I made the terminations, and the uncovered parts are protected with heatshrink tube. We used metal thimbles. This approach makes for much stretchier shrouds than method 1 above because all the fibres are off-axis.

3) There are other on-axis methods with expensive terminations.

NB: Stiffness/weight is only half the battle - windage is a real issue too. One of the reasons that Vectran is probably ok for a forestay - apart from the lower working load - is that 5mm vectran has no aerodynamic penalty in the front of a jib (possibly a benefit), whereas that dia on a shroud  would be a lot.

NB:
      Modulus Vectran:         52-103 GPa           http://www.vectranfiber.com/pdf/8Pages%20from%20Vectran_broc_final61206-8.pdf
      Modulus 316 Stainless: 193 GPa               http://www.azom.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=2868
      Modulus Carbon (NM):  200-325 GPa         http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1320/
      Modulus PBO:              315 GPa               http://www.mat.usp.ac.jp/polymer-composite/30th-yamashita.pdf

NB - over a ~5m length of our 3mm steel shrouds we found ~12mm extension under 75kg, but over 50mm extension with the braided PBO, dia ~2mm. I did not do too many of these because the limits of the test rig were becoming apparent: The bannisters were creaking - possibly not just moving elastically.

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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 02:09:33 PM »
Thanks Will,

I love the idea that your 'elongation test equipment' was your 'staircase'.  ;D

Have you spliced SK78 direct on to rope T terminals one end and Thimbles the other? Or Thimbles both then the 'T'?
Did you use a regular splice or a Brummel Splice?




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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2009, 03:20:23 PM »
Dazza - we attached our steel shrouds without the T- terminals - 2x dyneema spliced loop round the mast (and under the track). This means a mast with no holes in it and no big heavy bits of steel at the top?

Just an idea as I'm now not a fan of T-terminals (they cost too much)

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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 03:32:48 PM »
Our mast is T-terminal-free.

The shrouds and forestay and D2s are kiwi-style hook connections. The lowers are tied round the mast. The uppers attach to a bolt at the top.

The splices are the locking kind: Straight through, straight back, taper and blend. Don't know the proper name.

We don't have SK78 (a type of dyneema) anywhere on the rig. The mainsheet bridle, kicker and cunno are made from it.

The trapezes have locking splices - oversewn I think (Lucy did them), without thimbles.  They attach to small shackles which are on a lashing of vectran which goes around the roots of the top spreaders.

There are thimbles on the PBO shrouds. Metal and pointy at the top. Egg shaped ones are probably better but we couldn't find any when we were building.

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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2009, 04:12:13 PM »
Alas my old 700 mast came with a whole bunch of T terminals.

Just thought I'd check the SK78 as Stuberry suggested this is what you were using for caps. My bad.

Splicing? Does that mean your PBO is cover and core? So this technique: http://www.neropes.com/SPL_ParallelCore_EyeSplice.aspx



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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 01:39:39 PM »
Does anyone know what company - Simon Cotter - works for? Mike Lennon gave me his name for supply of Maffioli VZ, but he can't remember what the company name is. But the company is Southampton based.

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Re: PBO rigging
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 08:42:08 AM »
daryl i have simon cotters number. please give me a call if you still need it. My number is on contacts page