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oldest surviving uk cherub?
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:12:15 PM »
Hi forum.
i was just wondering if anyone has any idea what the oldest usable cherub is in the uk?
In the boats section on the cherub class web page according to sail no's shows these boats before mine which is :- Name: Suspense
Designs: Spencer 2e / McCutcheon 3
Builder: W. McCutcheon
construction: Plywood
Location: Worksop, Notts
then before that shows the following sail no.s.......

Name: 126
construction: wood
Location: Bath
 
94
Name: Magic Muscle
Designs: Casson 4
Builder: McCutcheon
Construction: wood
Location: in the sky
 
22
Name: Prodigal
Designs:
Builder:
Construction:
Location:
 
19
Name: 19
Designs:
Builder:
Construction:
Location:

 
10
Name: Pink Champagne
Designs:
Builder:
Construction:
Location:
 
4
Name: Sundance
Designs:
Builder: George Dexter
Construction:
Location:
 
1
Name: Cherub 1
Designs:
Builder:
Construction:
Location:
 
obviously some of those boats are as quoted 'in the sky' now :'( but i was wondering if anyone has any record or idea of which of these boats still exist if in the uk or which is the oldest surviver?

Also why the big jump from 126 to 691 which is my boat?
any ideas ????
look forward to hearing from you.
rick
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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2017, 02:08:41 PM »
Hi Rick,

For a long time the oldest Cherub still actually sailing in the UK was thought to be Wanderous 698. So, if your sail number of 691 is accurate and you get her on the water, you may qualify for the oldest boat title! I'm guessing 691 dates from about 1960, possibly a year or so earlier. The sail numbers were up to 750 in 1963, then jumped to 901 due to batches of numbers being allocated to different countries. This probably explains the jump from the 100's to the 600's in the late 50's.

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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 03:51:30 PM »
Neil,
thanks for your response.
thats really interesting and explains the jump in numbers in the late 1950's.

Is there any way of gaining some provenence for my cherub through archives ect? ???
I really love the old girl and would love to find more on her history, according to the records on the website she was built by boatbuilder William(Bill) McCutcheon who i believe worked on the isle of white and is a Spencer 2e design.


any thoughts guys????
rick

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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2017, 08:42:32 PM »
I'm moderately sure that two figure numbered British boats were a UK only series starting at 1, and were renumbered when the International Association was formed and we starting using a common series with AUS and NZ. Some dim memory suggests that 1 went to 601 or maybe 651, but I'm not at all certain. What's in the register? 22 has been active in the last 10 or 15 years BTW.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 11:41:26 AM »
Hi thankyou very much for your reply.
well that would really make sense why the sudden jump in numbers in the late 1950's so i guess my boat being a true 691 could be either boat number 41 or 91 being built in the uk depending on what number the jumped to when we started using a common series with AUS and NZ.
is there a register archived anywhere which can be viewed online?
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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 09:41:25 PM »
An old paper copy of a boat register was still in the archives when I passed it on. That would surely have some info.

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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2017, 04:45:32 PM »
Great cheers phil,
Where can i view it?
cheers rick :)
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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2017, 06:24:18 PM »
I don't have access to the files, but I do have a list of most of the UK boats from the beginning of the class up to about 2010. Not sure how much help it will be, but here it is. By cross-referencing with some of the old Nationals Reports in the History section of the website, you can get some idea of the age of the boats.

     150 Pink Champagne
     151 Scoubidou
     152 Cherapear
     153 Babycham
     153 Moonshine
     154 Sundance
     155 Murmer
     156 Tia Maria
     157 Benedictine
     158 Gannet
     159 Nine of Hearts
     251 Spero
     252 Scamper
     253 Stupid Cupid
     254 Seraph
     255 White Lady
     256 Vodka
     257 Whiskey
     258 Ezebeat
     259 Drambuie
     303 Psyche
     621

     623

     626

     627

     628

     629 Whisper
     630

     631

     632 Bitter
     633 Ginny
     634 Tomtit
     635

     637

     638

     639

     642 Vivacity
     643

     644 Cherub
     645

     646

     647

     648

     649

     650 Zombie
     651 Tarka
     652

     654

     655

     656 Lightning
     657

     658

     659

     660 Rum and Coke
     662 Pizzicato
     663

     664

     665

     666

     667

     668

     669

     670

     671

     672

     673

     674

     675

     676

     677

     678

     679

     680 Gmystern
     681

     682 Spitfire
     683 Whizz
     691 Suspense
     692

     693 Yogi
     694 Boatnick
     695

     696

     697

     698 Wanderous
     699

     700 Hycycle
     701 Eros
     702 SredniVashtar
     703 eN-Ve-eS
     704 Conradin
     706 Zincala
     708 Midnight
     709 Pereus
     710

     711

     712 Angelface
     714 Undie-Sided
     715

     717 Hearthrob
     719 Gunsmoke
     720 Pacemaker
     721 Rebel
     722 Queen of Hearts
     723 Har'ta'tak
     725 Gee-Wiz
     726 Bluebird
     727 Red Devil/Flying Fox
     728 Sailbad the sinner
     729 Hi-Fi
     731 Asti
     732 Pandemonium
     733 Just-in
     734 Magpie
     736 Asian Flew
     738 Har'ta'beat
     740 Littlun
     741 Ishelame
     742 Valentine
     744 Samantha
     745 Pintail
     746 Amika
     748 Hartebeast
     749 Julia
     750 Artichoke
     901 Chop Suey
     902

     903 Impala
     904 Dilga
     904 Oops
     905

     906

     907 Micro
     908

     909 Ded-sec-si
     910 Nhiad
     911 Cock-a-bendie
     912

     913

     914

     915 Knave of Hearts
     916 Gumboots
     917 Popsy
     918 Threhold
     919 Psyche
     920 Isotope 92
     921 DOB
     923 Jenipops
     924 Surf
     1001

     1002 Ariki
     1003 Mystere II
     1004 Earwig
     1005 Zoe
     1006 Mistral
     1007

     1008 El Cid
     1009 Tic-a-boo-too
     1010 Dolphin
     1011 Gossip
     1012 Mon Coeur
     1013 Wild Thing
     1014 Heartbeat
     1015 Insure
     1017 Bloody Mary
     1018 Satisfaction
     1020 Charlie Chalk
     1021

     1023 Aborijeni
     1024 Avanti
     1025 Little Extra
     1361 Rumour
     1362 Tiz-Woz
     1364 Hot Pursuit
     1366 Semolina Pilchard
     1367 Wild Thing
     1368 Purple Heart
     1369 Lazy-Y
     1371 Molley
     1372 Lemon Drop
     1373 av*an*art
     1374 Ace of Hearts
     1375 Stinker
     1377 Initiative
     1378

     1379 Tacful
     1381 Enkay
     1382 Andmoreagain
     1384 Canned Heat
     1385 Hono
     1491 Mischief
     1493 Psychedelic Psyd
     1496 Sacre Bleu
     1498 Abacus
     1501 Hell's Angel
     1503 Faerie Queen
     1506 Bogle
     1507 Dynamic Equilibrius
     1509 Rikki Tikki Taui
     1568

     1570 Aotearoa
     1651 art*o*dob
     1652 Little Spirit
     1653 Aspntstha
     1654 Draculus
     1655 Hirondelle
     1656 Amphigouri
     1658 Aquarius
     1659 Syzie Q
     1660

     1661 Erewigo
     1662 Breakaway
     1663 Laser III
     1667

     1668 Mandarin
     1669 Trumps
     1670 The Whisperer
     1671 Continuity
     1673 Scribble
     1674 Sugar Plum Fairy
     1675 Seahog
     1677 Ch4
     1678 Aphrodite
     1679 Libido
     1680 PeaceAfloat
     1682 Meretrice
     1683 Intrigue
     1684 Chantilly
     1685 Scheherazade
     1686 Flying Flea
     1687 Hera
     1688 Death Stroke
     1689

     1690 Stormhunter
     1672 Glass-o-dob
     1695 Witchetty
     1697 Howard The Duck
     1698 Eros
     1700 Iron Butterfly
     1701 Superstar
     1702 Jamstrangler
     1703 Mock Turtle
     1704 Trial n Error
     1706 Dip-Stick
     1707 Change of Heart
     1708 Babylove
     1709 Pepermint
     1710 Q'zy Sue
     1711 Polly put the kettle on
     1712 Disco Volante
     1713 Screw of Archimedes
     1714 Virgin on the Ridiculous
     1716 Purplextacy
     1717 Lollipop
     1718 Unique
     1719 Biba
     1720 SaCha
     1721 Indiscretion
     1726 Small
     1728 Early Riser
     1729 Blood
     1731 Orange Sensation
     1732 La Sarazine
     1733 The Flying Shuttle
     1734 Romantique
     1737 Arthur
     1738 Vino
     1739 Tekna I
     1741 Chip Butty
     1742 Honey Dripper
     1743 Schizo
     1745 Phrenia
     1746 Shoestring
     1747 E-She
     1748 Vira Codse
     1750 The Magic Carpet
     1997 Gafmo
     2102 Coarctation
     2104 Vibrator
     2105 Lady Samantha
     2106 Wothellisit
     2108 Barbarella
     2109 Tickityboo
     2110 Hinemoa
     2112 Nogin
     2113

     2114 B-B
     2116 Flyboy
     2117 Aquarius
     2119 Lindisfarne
     2120 Apul
     2122 Flying Saucer
     2124

     2125 LaLa
     2127 HoofHearted
     2128 Gibrewog
     2134 Ardened Artery
     2137 Beelzebub
     2138 SeaSprite
     2139 Wasn't Born to Follow
     2140

     2141 Black Monday
     2142 Aphrodites Child
     2144 Chaser
     2145

     2148 Cheribum
     2150 Kipper
     2302 So-Long
     2304 Roxbottom
     2305 The Lady Wreck
     2306 Pintail
     2310 A Green Wire Fence
     2315 Eccles
     2316

     2317 Numbum
     2319 Salamander
     2320 MisterCrispy
     2322 Suck it and sea
     2323 Archimedes II
     2327 Zap
     2328 Spartacus
     2329

     2331 Kainezoe II
     2332 Mockingbird
     2333 Dolphin
     2334

     2339 Conquistador
     2340 HoneHeke
     2342

     2344 Gibrewogtoo
     2345 Tachyon
     2346 Devil's Answer
     2347 Libellule
     2349 Aeolus
     2350 Peanuts
     2401 Rum
     2402 Chilli-Botti
     2403 Woozle Hunter
     2404 Ethelarvark
     2405 Missa Beat
     2406 Another amphigourer
     2407 Tangerine Dream
     2408 Cascade
     2409 Hearty Tart
     2411 Too-De-Loo
     2412 Ticket to Ride
     2414 Frank Llod Wright
     2416 Winalot
     2417 Wizard of Oz
     2418

     2420 Gehenna Pod
     2421 Mid Skiff Bulge
     2422 Rape & Pillage
     2423 SOB
     2424 Emma Chizit
     2425 Deceptive Bends
     2425 Billy Two Ears
     2427 Earwigo
     2428 No Sweat
     2429 Superloo
     2430 Charon
     2431 Olly Berry
     2433 Down Under
     2434 Dangle Tangle Strangle Mangle
     2435 Buccaneer
     2436 Ripple
     2437 Haemogoblin
     2438 No How
     2439 Cheeribum
     2440 Sheer Heart Attack
     2443

     2444 Pink Panther
     2445 Epoch II
     2446 Barquis
     2448 Hell's Cherub
     2449 Green Bubbles
     2450 Easter Beagle
     2501 Twinkle
     2502 Still Crazy
     2503 Cachsa
     2507 Bean Blue
     2509 Tigger
     2511 Nipplus Erectus
     2512 Spot On
     2517 Sargent Pepper
     2518 Gossamer
     2521 Pretty Vacant
     2522 dr huffhhurr
     2525 Erewigoagain
     2526 Ace of Hearts
     2529 Night Fever
     2530 HotDog
     2531 Sam Witch
     2532 Co-Par
     2533 Arctic Bird
     2534 Strictly Liquor, Love and Laughs
     2536

     2537

     2538 Country Job
     2539 Whaam
     2540 Genie Bugs
     2541 Icarus
     2542 Nine Legs
     2543 Eddie Currant
     2544 Treebeard
     2546 Dark Star
     2547 Nazgul
     2548 Woodstock
     2549 Blitz
     2550 Sciamachy
     2556

     2567 Queenie S.J.B IV
     2600 Heart of Glass
     2601 Erik Bloodaxe
     2602 Fiesty Munchkin
     2603 Aggro
     2604 Tramps Like Us
     2605 Montague Egg
     2607 Ventricular Stimulation
     2608 Tokyo Jo
     2609 Noseby
     2610 Fawlty Tacks
     2612 Old Peculiar
     2614 Coz
     2615 Ballistic Missile
     2616 Plane Jane
     2617 Excalibur
     2622 Kokopelli
     2623 Pxyzsyzygy
     2624 Rebel
     2625 Hephalump
     2626 Perversion
     2627 Last Amber Dragon
     2628 Slartibartfast
     2629 March Hare
     2631

     2634 Johnny Fartpants
     2636 Heart Attack
     2637 Norwegian Blue
     2638 Utter Madness
     2639

     2640 Bubbles
     2641 Halo Jones
     2642 Little Fluffy Clouds
     2643 Taking Liberties
     2644 Suicide Blonde
     2645 Cheese Before Bedtime
     2646 Madge Allsop
     2647 FUBAR
     2648 Mental Oriental
     2649 Dangerous Strawberry
     2650 King Tubby
     2651 Strangely Brown
     2652 Turbo Trifle
     2653

     2654 Norfolk in Chance
     2655 It's me too
     2656 Therapy
     2657 Slippery When Wet
     2658 Lost in Space
     2659 Flying Kipper
     2660 The Pasta Frenzy
     2661 Other way up
     2662 Fizzy Shark
     2663 Sweet Dreams
     2664 Spanish Inquisition
     2664 By-Pass
     2665 Braveheart
     2666 Pistrix
     2667 Blonde Ambition
     2668 Dinghy Sports
     2669 Catananche
     2671

     2673 Dangerous Beans
     2674 Born Slippy
     2675 Fuzzy Logic
     2676 Shiny Beast
     2677 Squid Pro Quo
     2678 Little Red Number
     2680 Nautillus pompilius
     2681 Aqua Marina
     2682 Mango Jam
     2683 Pocket Rocket
     2684 Hungry Beast
     2685 Loco Perro
     2686 Primal Scream
     2687 Hardly Sluggish
     2688 Atum Bom
     2705 Flat Stanley
     3001 Miss Astrid
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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 06:59:31 PM »
Hey Neil ,
Thanks mate, wow I hope that was added with copy and paste , if not it must have taken ages !!!
That's what I was after , 
What year did the class begin?

Thanks so much for your kind help and information , gives me an idea of the boats that were built inc mine
Forget train spotting , I think cherub spotting would be more fun 😀
Cheers rick ⛵️⚓️
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« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2017, 05:41:08 PM »
Sad, I know, but here's some corrections...

2404 Ethel Aardvark
2406 Another Amphigouri
2503  Cachaça
2550 Schiamachy

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Re: oldest surviving uk cherub?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2017, 03:27:01 PM »
cheers Jim
thanks guys for your responses
i really love all the cherubs with alcholic drink references :P
rick
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