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Offline dave_ching

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2015, 08:53:03 AM »
you bought the boat from some good sailors so if you can find their setting you will not be far off.

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2015, 09:16:10 AM »
Handicap sailing a Cherub can be frustrating, but it can also be very rewarding. Just keep plugging away at it, and then ONE DAY, you will have the right wind and the right course and you will do very well indeed! The rest of the time, it is a case of 'what could have been'.

We have a 97 Rules Bistro which over time we managed to tune to the point where it would actually point rather well, perhaps at the sacrifice of speed. This was essential for racing against other non cherubs as otherwise you would spend the whole day sailing in everyones dirty air... which is not fast. We have our rig raked less than some, and also, really work upwind to make as much height as possible, making decisions with every gust whether to head up to gain height, or foot off to make the most of the speed depending on who or what was around us at the time.

Another place where you can win or lose a lot, is at the top mark. Depending on what other boats are around you makes a big difference as to whether you keep high at the mark to get the kite up, or soak down low, to then head up and build the apparent wind. As you have probably already realised, hooking into a decent gust with the kite up really shoves a rocket up the arse of the little boat. So look around and try and pick the best option to avoid the amount of time NOT flat out planing. We would quite often soak down as low as possible to give ourselves a bit of space from the boats above us, and then by the time we were hooked into a gust you could normally go through and out from underneath the other plodders downwind. (if windy this is risky though, as you might find that you then struggle to point up high enough to make the mark without ragging the kite!)

As with all sailing, the single most important place to get it right is the start. If you can get out and clear on the first beat, and keep as many of the high pointing plodders behind you, then it will give you many more options. Get around the top mark and get the power down and you should then be clear of the others for a while. Get it wrong and you spend the first beat mucking about going the long way around lasers and RS things, then you are compromised on the downwind... and then you are down the pan.

If you can master sailing the boat in a handicap race, then you will be surprised by how well you can do against other Cherubs. Bottom line, keep the boat moving at all times... but don't lose sight of the fact that you need to keep it moving in the right direction too!

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2015, 12:05:20 PM »
Yeah we ballsed up the start. I was re-tying the kite sheets which I'd initially done wrong. Then missed the trapeze ring and went for a quick swim. So upwind it was just dirty air. I think we just need time in the boat now...


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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2015, 12:34:19 PM »
The Cherub is one of those boats where if it goes wrong, it generally goes wrong really quickly and you get really wet. Best to learn from your mistakes and do some pre sail checks to make sure you have done all that stuff right. Are the kite sheets right? are the bow fittings taped up? is the bungee around the top of the shrouds and jib in place? did I do a poo before getting changed into my wetsuit? ... all the important stuff. Once you have all of this stuff sorted, and can eliminate the number of capsizes due to equipment problems, then you will really start making progress. I spent the first few years not realising this stuff was important, and spent a lot of time swimming, or trying to fix things when out on the water (or worse... after racing when you should be in the bar).

Racing is key. You can only learn so much from hooning about (despite it being pretty fun), but the corners and the boat on boat stuff is the stuff which needs practising.

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2015, 12:41:31 PM »
Yeah, we were late launching because everyone decided to rig on the slipway. By the time I realized I'd ballsed up the kite sheets we were 40 seconds from the start. Theres a few little things that will make a massive difference!!

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2015, 10:32:15 PM »
Hi Mike,

A tight mainsail leech is what makes the boat point a bit higher, cherub mainsails have a large roach so the leech needs to be as parrallel to the centreline as possible to reduce drag so don't be shy with the kicker if there's enough breeze to be wiring, it's really powerful for a reason, but make sure you let it all off before bearing away! The thing is if you sail really high and stuff up in the gusts then you are displacement sailing in a 12 ft boat which isn't fast. Speed is key upwind keep her flat and try to accelerate in the gusts even if it means easing the mainsheet a little and footing off to build speed then pointing her back up again after the gust has past. Don't let her screw up in the gusts as windward planing is what it is all about. Very few sailing dinghies are capable of windward planing so take advantage of it. Tighter main leech really helps though. Failing that take advantage of the rocket shipness with the kite up!

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Re: Strangely Brown
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2015, 07:01:30 AM »
As T says... kicker is key.

http://www.uk-cherub.org/forum/index.php/topic,1905.msg20301.html#msg20301

If you do any forum searches, they will always end up with people telling you to use more kicker... If you can get any photos of you sailing, take a look, you want the whole sail powered up, lots of people make the mistake of not using enough kicker so the top half of the sail is far too open.