Help identify my cherub!

[phil_kirk]

mitigating against increased torsional load with liberal use of fibre / epoxy! Has anyone done this to their old boat? if so any advice / pitfalls?

The trick is inteligent use of fibres aligned in the right directions atached to strong bits of boat, using enough resin and consolidating the lot well. You may be surprised how little fibre is needed to make a strong connection if done properly.
When we bought Slippery we had to remove copious amounts of resin from the bow which was not doing anything.

Good luck.

When you've had time to collect and look at the boat post any questions you may have and we will do our best to advise.

[gilly900]

ok, up in Newcastle and pressganged my father into helping drag the boat out of the gloom to have a good look and get some better photos.  Please see attached photos and any more thoughts on design or ideas on direction for refurb!

[gilly900]

photos. .

[gilly900]

more photos.

[gilly900]

and more! Nice daggerboard but delaminating at the bottom!

[ross_burkin]

Quality project! I'd stick to 90's rules, maybe with bigger kite though. A false floor will add a lot of weight but will stop the transom sinking so much in the light stuff.

[JimC]

Not a Jennifer Julian with that transom I reckon. Nor, I think, one of the more common designs... The stern is Spencer7ish, but the sail no and construction seems too late for that. Interesting to see the rocker line. I wonder what the records say about the sail number.

[phil_kirk]

OK
From the records and this is Will's boat archive sail no 2501 was built in 1976 by Comander to a Spencer design and owned by M. Commander. The archive does not identify which Spencer design it is but I would guess it is a spencer 7 or a Spencer design which was tweaked by the builder. The previous Spencer design was built in 1971 sail no. 1721.
Also from the archive Comander is not recorded to have built any previous cherubs. I would therefore guess that this was a home build to an existing set of plans.
2501 was called 'Twinkle'.

2501 was also the first sail no. of a new batch for the UK class. The previous UK sail no. in the sequence was 2450 Easter Beagle to the Duke/Hows design. 2450 is the last for which I have a copy of the original measurement certificates.  Other designs common in 1976 were Forman 4's and Jennifer Julians, Deeley, a Patterson an Caisley and a few others. Quite a lot of variety in design at that point.

[JimC]

I *vaguely* recall Mike Commander... I have a memory that a few unbuilt Spencer 7 kits were knocking around about that time, so maybe Mike picked one of those up and gave it a contemporary interior layout. Got to wonder why though, although perhaps he tweaked the shape a bit.

[phil_kirk]

That makes sense,

I was wondering why a standalone Spencer turns up several years after the previous one had been built.  As design had moved on it wouldn't have been as competitive as the current boats.
The benefit for Gilly is that he has the newest example of the design.

[2501]

Realise that i'm very late inthis thread but i was 2501's second owner roughly 1979 to 1990.
She was called Sweaty Badger inmy day, first built as Spencer 7 called Twinkle.
Much loved and well raced in her day, still have a few photos if she's still in one piece i would love to hear.
Just found her replacement an IC k145 is still around !
Best regards
Steve.

[Phil Alderson]

Good to hear from you Steve, we are allways interested in populating the website with pictures, and information about  of old boats

[Neil C.]

Last we heard 2501 was in a garage in Newcastle upon Tyne, although she could have been moved to Falmouth. You could try PM-ing gilly900 via this forum to ask if he still has possession of her. I believe he was planning a big restoration project, but I'm not sure if it ever got started. If you don't get any joy with a PM let me know as I may have his other contact details somewhere. 

[Neil C.]

Quick update: I'm pretty sure 2501 is still in Newcastle. More or less complete - minus her foredeck but still in a condition where she could be rescued and returned to action.