Travellers Series Scoring

[dave_ching]

Thanks, did Simon and Phil keep a copy of the results?
As we have now finished the first leg of the Travelers have we thought about how we are going to score the results?
We could count final postions in each event or we could count each race as part of a single large multi venus event.
Personally I do not care which way we do it but it is nice to know what everyone wants to do.

[andy_peters]

Likewise I'm not that bothered either way but it would be potentially more simple to go with the overall result from each event.  How many will count for the series?  No discards or 3 out of 4? 

[Neil C.]

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting in any way that this is how the Traveller's Trophy should be scored now (not least because I'm not active in the TT at present). But just for interest, here's how it used to be scored in the 1990's.

The TT used to be run by Graham Dickenson, owner of Bistro 2647 "Fubar", which he sailed with his son Owen. I'm pretty sure Graham still has his boat, but it hasn't been seen out and about for a few years. The scheme went like this:

Any event which had 5 or more Cherub entries counted as a TT event. A boat's best 5 event scores were added up for its end of season result.

1st place scored 15 points plus one point for each boat beaten
2nd place scored 14 points plus one point for each boat beaten
3rd place scored 13 points plus one point for each boat beaten
and so on..

This gave a decent haul of points for first place at any TT event, but with extra weighting for a top position at an event with lots of entries (e.g. the Nationals). It also allowed some points scoring even for a boat which came last in 2 events, and in fact that boat might be rewarded with a decent score if it made the effort to get to an event which was less popular, with fewer entries. e.g. 21st at a 22-boat Nationals would score you 1 point, but 5th at a 6-boat event would score you 12 points.

The only downside was that Graham was the only guy who could remember how to score it and add it all up!

[dave_ching]

Finishing places at the end of the 4 events sounds good to me.
I think it should be no discards. missing one event should be the equivelant of a DNS.

[Will_Lee]

SInce then the scoring has been one point for coming and on3 point for each boat you beat.

[dave_ching]

sounds ok but wouldn' be good to have more of an insentive to turn up at all events?
ie winning any event is worth 1 point and not turning up to an event would be number of entrants plus one.
But to be honest not my problem I will turn up at all events I hope and will not win which ever scoring system we use.
Unless we go for the Shiny green boats with more than 1 nationality aboard get special bonus points.

[phil_kirk]

With no discards a no show at one event should not mean you can't score in the series otherwise we are in danger of having no qualifiers. The different scoring systems are interesting. As Dave suggests the scoring should reward attendance and reward success at better attended events. I would suggest something along the lines of the original system Neil mentioned perhaps starting with 25 for first as in formula one.

Attendance at an event should at least mean turning up with a boat and being in the starting area for a race. entering online, turning up without a boat or not leaving the beach should not count.

Do we include the nationals as a traveller and make it 5 events?

I will edit the S.I.s for the enterprise severnside series as a starter for 10.  I doubt we will get anywhere talking about it on the forum.

[phil_kirk]

Ok

What do we think of the attached?

High points scoring idea included.  Everyone gets 3 points for turning up. I thought that having a fixed top score could back fire on us if set to low and overly peanalise non attendance of one event.  (I.E. if you can't make every event you may as well not bother attitude).

[roland_trim]

I like the "3rd place team wrties the report".
Are we keeping the DNC (boat did not launch at event) and  DNF (started but did not finish) being scored higher?

Personally I'd be more in favour of a least points series scoring system. That encourages the turnout to the least attended events...
Strawberry - ball is in your court.

PS We are in last either way.

[simon_jones]

I wager We might have that honor this year as we are only going to make Sunderland

[Stuberry]

Thanks everyone for sharing your views. I'm a bit late coming to the party but this is how I see it:

I hope there will be 5 travellers as I'm looking to organise an inland event in September which will count.

I would really like to encourage attendance at all Travellers events so I think all 5 should count with no discards.

The National Championship should be a completely separate competition to the Travellers Trophy and so the nationals result will not count towards the travellers.

To encourage participation at lower attended events the scoring for the Travellers Trophy will be based on the “lowest score” method:

1st – 1 point
2nd – 2 points
3rd – 3 points
etc.

Amended SI's below.

Happy to discuss...

[Tim Noyce]

How will we score not attendance? Does a DNS receive number of event entries + 1? Or shall we make it number of entries +5 to give more encouragement to attend so that coming last is a fair bit better than not bothering to turn up?


ps, I see no ammended SI's

[Stuberry]

Oops, forgot to attach...

Non-attendance will be scored as "number of people entering the Travellers Trophy +1"

[Phil Alderson]

At the moment these SI's do not specify what points you get after third. So could be read that finishing fourth gets zero points, perhaps you should just reference the Appendix A definitions for scoring, and then add the changes that you want to make.

It is a bit irrelevant for me as I will probably only be doing Sunderland, however I think that having no discards is very harsh, It could well mean that turning up to all the events is enough to win (depending on the spread of entrants)

[dave_ching]

It would be nice to work out a system in which all competitors get a point relivant to there position.
We are an inclusive fleet but only scoring points for the first three positions does discard most of the fleet from any interest in the travellers at all.
Though I must admit last year it wouldn't of made any difference.