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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2009, 06:21:52 PM »
i've a set of gill hi-fits which i wear with and spray top, shorty wetsuit and a scalf to keep the heat in and my neck warm.  i've not been out in as cold weather but it was -2 2 weeks ago when i went out in the 400.  found that with the hi-fits and spray top keeping the wind out (and some heat in) i was more than warm enough.  the wind chill always seems the bad bit so i find stopping that solves lots of problems.  big respect though on going out.

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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2009, 08:55:59 PM »
i find t shirts and shorts are more than adequate
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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2009, 12:14:27 AM »
CLOTHING – here is my take on it when very cold;

Drysuit vs Steamer

I have a 5mm winter steamer but over the past 2 winters have tended to use it in autumn & spring and go for the drysuit in the depths of winter. The change for me was when that about autumn '07 (?) Henri Lloyd brought out a light weight breathable drysuit. This has overcome the previous cumbersome feel of heavy drysuits that were previously more suited to hikers than trapezers who need speed & agility.  My pretty 'peach' number is their prototype from 18 months ago, no longer available in that colour sorry.

The advantage with a drysuit is it keeps off the windchill better than a steamer. You can layer up under a drysuit. You can get toasty in a steamer if you are working hard (and sure there is less windage if you are going to be fussy) but you do suffer from windchill over time. I would not have wanted to be in my steamer at the Bloody Mary, the wind chill had gone beyond that for me. When we arrived at 0930 there was say 3kn of wind, at 11.00 it increased to 6kn and the wind chill plummeted. If it had got windier still we might have been more active but over a long race the chill would have got to us.

So in summary, whilst I like wearing a steamer I prefer it for short active sails (quick training or 1 short club race). For extreme cold conditions or a long race (BM was 108mins for Cherubs) or back to back races drysuit is my preference.

I was however a little disappointed when launching (we need to go balls deep as we have a ‘+’ rather than ‘T’ foil) to find it leaking around the crotch!  Ouch!

Layering – Lots of thin layers rather than a few thick ones is key. Thereby trapping layers of air and different layers have different properties (moisture wicking, thermal, insulation…).
I have 3 top layers; tight long sleeve thermal, slack long sleeve thermal with neck, long sleeve fleece with neck. On hindsight I should have had another thin fleece.
One pair tracky bottoms, on hindsight I could have had thermal leggings underneath.

Hands – For about 5 months of the year I wear (need) wetsuit gloves. I have both Magic Marine and Crewsaver ones that I like. Roz’s Gill ones are thicker still, personally I would only use them doing something inactive (rib or big boat).

Feet – Thick socks, drysuit’s boots, neoprene boots/shoes. (If too tight ie too many socks can impede circulation and make matters worse, dry socks reduce heat exchange)

Head – Hat is vital

Buoyancy aid – a good tight fitting buoyancy aid provides great insulation. I recall Roz only put hers on when we went afloat but I had mine on ASAP whilst rigging. 18’ sailors suffer for not having these when it is cold.

A couple of years after being a student I realised that sailing in the winter can be a lot more fun – if you have the right kit. With the right kit you can extend your season safely without (as much) pain and focus more on the sailing and enjoy it rather than just trying to stay warm.

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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2009, 10:06:32 PM »
Clothing: well I definitely wasn't wearing quite enough, but I wasn't as cold as Will!
Hot top 1mm neoprene
5mm steamer
buoyancy aid
Old thick padded harness
aquafleece
balaclava
hat
builders gloves without fingers
wet socks
boots

All assembled in the changing room to maximize warm air trapping!

1. I am slightly surprised that fingerless gloves didn't end in frostbite, but I wasn't taking the main up wind, so my hands weren't wet all the time. I was still getting bits of feeling back the following day.
2. I usually start cold races in balaclava & hat, and discard both after the first hoist. I kept both on all race, the only problem with this is I sound like Kenny from South Park, and as Will's core temp dropped he became unable to tell the 'Mmmmm wwww ww ww wwwwwwww MmMm' means 'Not the red flag, the blue one, where are you going?' and 'Wuuuff ffff mm mm mmm' means '18ft skiff on starboard heading our way'.
3. Once I'd adjusted to the sensation free feet I was surprisingly OK, but trapezing when it happened was more hazardous due to the ice & poor feedback.
4. I did suffer from increasing chill over the racec, usually cured by an energetic hoist and kite run which only happened once.
5. I think I was less cold than Will because  I was crouched up in front of the mast (despite sitting on sheet ice) and I wasn't handling the sheets as much.

I will be looking into thicker, waterproof, windersurfing boots, and a neoprene balaclava.


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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2009, 10:18:47 AM »
My view is that dry suits are fine, but breathability is key. Getting soaking wet from sweat is not only unpleasant, it's also going to make you cold.

I use a Typhoon drysuit because they are the most breathable.
On my top I use a tight leaf layer designed to wick moisture away from the skin
A high-tech rugby shirt that's thick enough to be warm, but loose enough to allow mobility and highly breathable
A thin fleece
BA and Harness

On my botttom I simply wear a pair of tracky B's, or 2 if it's really cold

On my feet I wear relatively thick socks

And a fleece balaclava on my head

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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2009, 12:32:59 PM »
I wear a winter steamer, Surfing one though so its got a batwing (stops water going down your neck!) also designed for a sport where you spend much more time in the water than cherubing!, its 6mm on legs and body and 4mm on the arms to allow good movement. Its almost waterproof and very warm. I tend to wear a thermal rash vest under it, and a rooster aqua fleece over the top if its really cold to keep out the wind chill, i almost always wear builders gloves, but on really cold days i have a neoprene pair. Wetsuit socks and a pair of aigle boots keep my feet warm. If its really cold i wear a hat in between races, but stuff it down my bouyancy aid whilst racing as i hate sailing in a hat, i find a bare head is much better for wind awareness. i've spent some very cold days in the water wind surfing/sailing and have still been really toasty.

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Re: Bloody Mary, Queen Mary SC - Sat 10th Jan
« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2009, 01:21:58 PM »
I'm finding that the bare head is good for wind awareness but I have to wear a hat in the BM conditions because the head is getting quite bare in places!  It was so cold.

It was ok if you were moving around a bit but sitting still in the cold was no fun.