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roland_trim

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I hurt
« on: April 20, 2009, 02:57:51 PM »
Twinning appears to use a completely different muscle set to hiking.
I got cramp yesterday in marginal  twinning conditions, not sure I have done so many squats in a day ever. At the end of the outing we also discovered the kicker tang had crept back along the boom, this explains why  we felt we were lacking power when the kicker was block-block fully on, the mast did not appear to be moving in the gusts and the head was like a barn door. Probably would have been full on if we had actually had the rig set correctly :-(

I also have taught H to move, she has got into a habit of just hanging out on the wire with me doing sit ups to alter the weight, she found this a bit strange but easier when she moved to a shorter trap line! We were a little pi$$ed not to finish a Medway race (again) as the idiot helm got lost when maxxing it downwind; we had sailed a mile in the wrong direction before we approached a buoy to find it had the wrong number on it  ::)

But the reason for the post:
1) How do I stop the top of my thighs feeling like someone has got medieval with a blow torch on them?

2) What other activity uses these muscles, coz they need some strengthening?
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Re: I hurt
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2009, 03:06:56 PM »
lots more sailing...it soon gets easier  ;D
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Offline john_hamilton

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Re: I hurt
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2009, 03:46:06 PM »
Rugby, jumpin, and uphill running
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Re: I hurt
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2009, 03:51:09 PM »
When I used to crew in the 800’s I was told I should do all the movement to keep the boat flat, so the helm can stay in a constant position and concentrate on sailing the boat otherwise it is very difficult to co-ordinate movements together. The difficulty in the Cherub is that it’s especially difficult for the crew as they are holding the mainsheet and coming in for a lull can be quite awkward. So I guess the best alternative is for the helm to take the mainsheet…. Would be interested to hear other people’s methods as I’ve never been quite sure what to do….

Also with the Cherub being so short I find it’s a pretty unnatural position for the helm to be trapezing from compared to other classes. So I have no idea where to start for exercises!





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Offline daryl_wilkinson

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Re: I hurt
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »
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Debi_Gibson

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Re: I hurt
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 09:58:30 AM »
Surprised noone has written "man up" :)


But as Hoppy said just keep going sailing, your body will soon get more used to it.

Also running up and down the stairs a few times every morning might help?!? Just any exercise that uses your legs as its not just dynamic power.
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Offline phil_kirk

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Re: I hurt
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 01:09:59 PM »
Exercises.

running up stairs
step ups
Cycling
generally being fitter

I have sometimes found knees to ache a bit when i started trapeezing.  I have also found some lower back muscules ache but I have quite a weak back.

I have come to the view that better general fitness will help sailing because you will use all your muscles in an athletic boat such as a cherub.

The crew and helm need to work out who is going to control ballance in different modes.

It can be difficult for the crew because they do not have the feel of the helm to show when the boat is heeled too much either way or is in the sweet spot. We have been through the phase of the crew on the wire and helm all over the place at the back trying to do all the ballencing. The boat ends up going all over the place.  Crew ballances the boat visually.

What we do is:
light wind mode:  helm on wire (can keep weight further forward  with foot in front of shrouds)  helm accounts for gusts by bending legs, crew makes finer adjustments in position to account for changes in pressure to keep helm on the wire. (may even require sitting on leward side deck.

This takes us to the point that I am flat wiring and sarah is sitting on the side clipped on and ready to go out.

Twin wiring:

The transition requires the helm to step back and crew to comes out with bent legs. Helm bends legs or wires higher to reduce his leverage when the crew comes out.  Crew ballances boat by extending legs or easing main.  Note the crew has full control of boat ballance.  If more power is needed helm can come out too. 

When the helm is fully out the crew continues the main playing leg bending/straightening.

Once the crew is used to ballancing the boat the helm has confidence not to luff up in a gust ( slow).
Changing trapeeze height whilst sailing is the next step and helps you to increase your righting moment in higher wind speeds.  It takes practice.
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