New Cherub Owner

[Nick in Bristol]

Tasteful paintjobs aren't always a faux pas, Born Slippy is looking superb these days.  However if you do drag out the tartan paint you could rename her the" flying haggis "

Actually I think I swapped the tin of tartan paint for a long weight some time ago. . .

Talking of renaming, she will be renamed and currently open to suggestions.  Due to a slight obsession with The Inbetweeners front running name is "Bus W*****s!!" On a slightly more sensible and perhaps less offensive level "Spirit Level Bubble", "OMG  There are fish in there!" (genuine quote from Mrs while snorkling) or "It's me or the Cherub"

[john_hamilton]

I fully support the inbetweeners idea. Being 17 helps there

[Nick in Bristol]

I fully support the inbetweeners idea.  Being 17 helps there

Unfortunately I'm exactly twice your age! Mentally, probably not tho. 

[BenR]

This might be helpful when you rename her. 

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http://boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/rename.htm

[Will_Lee]

Your rudder stock can be fixed and the blade extended at a sticky weekend. Watch this space!

[Phil Alderson]

I've just been out to take a few photos.     It's hard to get an exact measurement but I'd say there was no more than a foot in the water, assuming the hull was flat in the water.     Secondly there is no (vertical) taper on the blade at all, just a flat cut so the broken blade idea sounds good so far.     Hopefully the images will come out ok.    .    .   

Hmmm no images - is there a restriction on the forum software for newbies to post links?

The blade and flimsy (now broken) rudder stock

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http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m351/nickbristol_2008/IMG-20110906-00113.jpg
Approx waterline when hull is flat in the water

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http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m351/nickbristol_2008/IMG-20110906-00112.jpg
Anyone got a longer blade and stock for sale?

There is a restriction for the first few posts, we were geting a lot of spam links for a while. Looking at your post count you should now be through the threshold.

[Nick in Bristol]

Your rudder stock can be fixed and the blade extended at a sticky weekend.  Watch this space!

I think the stock is beyond help to be honest.  It was thin cheap aluminium and has sheared through - it never looked all that strong to start with.

[roland_trim]

I have a Rondar stock of the same era - you are welcome to see if the blade fits it...

[Nick in Bristol]

Thanks - I'd appreciate that, let me know how much you want for it. 

[Banshee Ambulance]

I have a good length carbon blade with pintels and fixed carbon tiller for sale if interested? I am also Bristol area based.

[Nick in Bristol]

Thanks for the offer GT - longer term I might be tempted if it's not a quick sale you're after. 

What is the current consensus on fixed vs lifting rudders? And is a T Foil really that impressive?

I'll probably try and build a new blade, plus or minus a stock & tiller, over the next few months.  Including coming along to the Sticky meeting in November, assuming I'm back from Bali in time.  Alternatively I might use that as an opportunity to replace the daggerboard as the current one has a large chunk out of it, although it's been fairly well repaired. 

[phil_kirk]

A t-foil is that impressive and can lift about 70kgs when the boat is moving at speed and the foil is at the right angle.   This makes the boat think it is lighter and despite the drag from the foil, allows the boat to plane in lower wind speeds than without.  The t foil is also a great stabiliser damping out roll and pitch motions.  Consequentially it is under high loads especially when you get things wrong.

A t-foil needs adjustment to control the angle of attack. This is currently done by either pivoting the rudder stock around a fixted rudder pin or pivoting the whole gantry around the transom of the boat.  i think that there is an article on the main web site under the technical area.

To get sailing this winter I recomend just starting with a normal rudder and enjoy the boat.  Then you can decide if you want to spend the additional time building a t-foil system.  It is very easy to spend months modding a boat and not actually do much sailing in it.

Do come to the sticky week end.  If you have decided what you want to do we can get quite a bit done in a weekend.

[Phil Alderson]

The article that Phil mentions can be seen:
http://www.uk-cherub.org/doku.php/tech/t-foil_systems

there are quite a few pictures of the different systems used, the most common system on new builds seems to be the rotating gantry.

[Nick in Bristol]

Great articles. I am being more and more converted to the idea of the t-foil, but need to walk prior to running so will restrain my enthusiasm for a few months yet.

While I remember tho - one of the articles in the link above was members only. How do I get my membership upgraded to see this?

Phil, good advice and very interesting, thank you. I'd love to get sailing this winter but I don't think it will happen, at least not in this boat. The boat is still very much a work in progress and I get very little spare time to work on it. I always envisioned working over the winter on it as it should (just) fit in my workshop / tip / hideaway.

[Phil Alderson]

While I remember tho - one of the articles in the link above was members only. How do I get my membership upgraded to see this?

Done, you just need to make sure that you are logged in to the website before you click on the members only link.