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Cherub Chat => Calendar Events => Topic started by: admin on March 08, 2008, 11:17:39 PM
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Cherub Nationals Pembrokshire Yacht Club
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I'll definitively be there with NBS.
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I'll be there with Atum Bom
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And we'll be there with Fluffy too.
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And we'll be there with Fluffy too.
Remember to park my boat far from LFC :P
However I can park my car close to yours for late parking beers and farts :D
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I`ll be there with loco
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I'll be there, but in what boat and what rig I don't know ???
oooo, it's all so exciting...;D
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I'll be there but need a crew approx 5'3" tall, 50kg's and brunett. or similar because Sarah is sailing the Byte wolrds in Weymouth.
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Born Slippy will be there.
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We'll be there!
(Put carbon on the T foil last night!)
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well i haven't organised this just for everyone else to enjoy themselves... so i'll be there too ;D
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Let's be honest...I'm not going to be there.
Might bring the 18 though... ;D
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Incorrect answer!
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As a sad fan of the Wiki I have created a page (probably in the wrong place) that people can pledge to....
Click on the link under events
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Let's be honest...I'm not going to be there.
Might bring the 18 though... ;D
WHAT! Get that skiff built and get it, you and a crew to Wales!
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As a sad fan of the Wiki I have created a page (probably in the wrong place) that people can pledge to....
Click on the link under events
An excellent new page, I have moved it and added a few links to the http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/fixtures|events (http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/fixtures|events) page
We all need to remember to add things to the wiki from time to time, particularly new news items.
Ian, I think that the 18 will need more work to get it to mesure than 2687 :o
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so what is everyones plans for accomodation at the nationals then?
i plan on tent city but am open to other offers???
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Van village for us.
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Who plans on going early?
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I'll be there but need a crew approx 5'3" tall, 50kg's and brunett. or similar because Sarah is sailing the Byte wolrds in Weymouth.
Hi Phil,
Thanks for the sail at Bala, I really enjoyed my 1st weekend of Cherub sailing.
I may be available to do the Cherub nationals. Let me know if you're still looking for a crew?
Paul
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H has veto'ed driving to Pembroke in the van.
How big is the area for tent village as she has her eye on the attached for our accomodation, kit drying and eating needs.
http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/t4-2-xl-35289256/ (http://www.decathlon.co.uk/EN/t4-2-xl-35289256/)
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That tent is not applicable for cherub sailors R, it says suitable for Hikers... not extreme trapezers!
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Ha Ha - didn't even get much hiking at the weekend. ;D Going downstairs currently still sore, need to learn to say no and hit the bar instead on light days.
BTW that tent weighs 17kg - approximately 1/2 the weight difference between helm and crew!
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Hi Paul,
i have someone in mind at present who I have sailed with a lot previously and is just confirming time off work. If he can't make it I will let you know.
I really enjoyed bala and learn't a few things from having you in the boat.
Sarah is more mobile and sailed her byte C2 at weymouth last weekend finishing 3rd in the windy conditions.
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30 boats at this years nationals?
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well one boat will have me at one end of the boat :-X
all will be revealed sooner or later...
James
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Is it just me, or does the Pembrokeshire Yacht Club tell us "Nominations: To be made by using the Entry Form" and then not give us a link to the entry form ?
As it looks like loads of you have entered, i'm guessing its me and expect a barrage of abuse, i'll lookout my coat in anticipation ...
graham
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not just you Graham
where is the entry form and NOR?
Should there be a link from the events page or in this thread? otherwise can you give me a clue of where it is?
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Here it is - the provisional NOR, SIs and course sheet. There is plenty of time to suggest changes.
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Errata:
First start at 13h00 each day.
Prizes: 1-5th
First 97 Rules boat
First 91 Rules boat
First wooden boat.
First Lady
(The bit in the SI's about handicap competition can go)
Team Competition: Teams of two boats will be made by the association. The team with the lowest combined points total (excluding discards) will win the team prize.
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This is my proposed course (this is like the Weston Grand Slam 2007):
1) You start between ODM and CB.
2) You leave WM to port.
3) You go between LM and ODM.
4) Repeat 2 and 3 until you get a hooter when you cross the line between LM and ODM.
This way there are few buoys to remember, you don't have to remember which lap you are on, there is choice of leeward mark, everyone finishes near where the start will be, and there are downwind finishes.
WM
ODM------------LM------------CB
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And we'll be there with Fluffy too.
look out for ginger girls - that boat has some sort of attraction for them!
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I'm not going to make it.
It's a complex equation that can be expressed like this - the American sub-prime mortgage market + boat builders + trailer manufactures + Oppy opens! + scum bag pikey robbers = no national attendance for me!
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More errata from these (very provisional) NORs and SIs!
Races: 0-4 = no discards
5+ = one discard.
These documents are still up for discussion, so if you think the event could be improved by any changes, (or you see any errors of course) please post here.
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discard after 3 races
2 after 6?!
just an idea, means more likely to get a decent series in...
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Yes I quite like this: It makes it slightly less of a war of attrition, but increases the risk of draws and countbacks etc etc.
0-3 = 0 discards.
4-6 = 1 discard.
7-9 = 2 discards.
10-12 = 3 discards.
Thanks to those who pointed out the errors, and to those who are demanding to know where the entry form is. Noycey assures me he is on the case, though he does have 4 racin weighfarers to finish this week.....
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I would go for a leeward finish as you suggest Will. With your leward gate concept the committee boat does want to be a litle way off the right hand mark in any kind of breeze so that those of uss out of control or below the lay line don't find it in our way.
the Si's should also include a clause that no cherub may mate with the comittee boat. A certain pink boat was found to be having a threesome with a moth and the C.B. at the Weston open before one start. ;D
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One issue with the leeward finish and an unknown number of laps is that it is difficult to tell when you are about to finish.
going through for another lap you would want to drop but for a finish you would want to be full speed.
It is hard spotting flags when going down wind.
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Will, I take it from the course diagram and description that the ODM is also a leward mark, and either can be rounded like a gate? Do we need to pre enter, or is it enter on the day?
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Do we need to pre enter, or is it enter on the day?
Entries either there or save £20 by entries before August starts. There is a link on the events page that has some information.
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It is hard spotting flags when going down wind.
Everyone is in the same boat at the top mark ** so spotting flags or not is fair.
I prefer that to the rib at the windward mark raising a "this is the last time you pass this mark" shorten course flag. As it is a pain when they are fishing people out so you miss the flag.
Personally I like any course that I sail without having to count which lap I am on, so I'd support either this or the "go through a gate upwind" course.
The lack of gate in the one Will drew might allow a symetric boat to give us all a scare and Slippery WW a chance to show us how effective soaking low with the assymetic can be (as shown Weston whilst the rest of us were using our kites as fishing nets after wiping out in flying gybes). Maximum respect for the handling skills either of these options require.
** Lacking self restraint or sense of humour.
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Noycey promises us an entry form very soon.
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I agree with Phil that it must be a windward finish.
Leeward finish disapointment for someone. Afterall Cherubs are about hanging on at high speed not flag watching and rule book studying.
The only difficulty I can see is with the group finish when you have boats dropping kites spinning to windward and finishing all in one easy motion. Ideal rafting opertunities and a little confusing for the comitee.
Having said that it does solve the problem of last year when the ODM became a wing mark and for Shiny that was just to tight a reach
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At the Weston open in 2007 this system was very much liked. Pros and cons:
Pros:
* Keeps the fleet together - so shorter gap between races.
* Downwind finishes are exciting and a good photo opportunity.
* Fewer buoys means shorter gaps between races (if the buoys need to be moved or whatever).
* Two leeward marks eases leeward mark woes.
* CB off course and far from finish means less chance of CB woes.
* No gate half way up the beat means more upwind flexibility and no trouble having to miss
* the gate downwind.
* Innovative (very Cherub)
* If you mix up the number of laps you'll still finish OK: You'll just have taken the kite down a bit soon. Compare that to side-finish systems like at Weymouth Regatta and Carnac where if you get it wrong you merrily head off upwind while the boats behind zoom off on a reach to finish!
Cons:
* May have trouble seeing flags streaming away from you. (Fixed number of laps and loud 'shorten course' sound signal could help + this is not as serious as in some systems.)
* Committee may have trouble seeing sail numbers. This is the traditional complaint about downwind finishes, but I don't think it applies these days as mainsails are pretty much on the centreline downwind.
A beat to finish basically either means two manned boats or a mid-beat gate: Two complications that I do not think are worth it. Wind shifts made missing the gate downwind difficult last year and caused disappointment for some.
I'd like to try this system because when we had an open with it last year it worked so well.
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We could always test the course on the Monday before the Nats?
On this note have we asked the club about arriving early - we would like to pitch tent on Thursday night, but are wondering:
a) Is that OK with the club.
b) Can we sail from the club from Friday onwards.
b) Will there be cover on the days before the racing begins. If we provide our own rib drivers would that help (we are happy to cover a stint if this helps). Although this is not a biggi it would be nice to know that we can get a lift back in if the mast decends and training video/pictures would be useful.
Am starting to get all excited - now just need to get the boat ready...
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Personally I find having an upwind finish line can be a real pain tactically, and if you go through it accidentally downwind it can write off an entire race.
I can understand the problems people have with the downwind finish, but in my experience it has always been pretty obvious. A different sound signal for the first finishers could help.
Alternatively we could have a finish gate at the windward mark to eliminate the finish line obstacle on the downwind leg.
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Thanks for your kind comments Roland.
I have just looked at the course sheet which I assume must have been created for a seperate open or championships held by the club. The courses are fine if you sail a semi planing hiking or single wire boat but not if you sail a skiff like us.
If there is still room to influence the courses used for the event they must fill the following objectives:
The course should be winward leeward course.
The course should not require the crew to count the number of laps
The course should not rely on rescue boats to signal the finish to competitors.
The race should be finished by the Committee boat.
Also
Windward spreader marks are not neccesary given the moderate size of fleet
given the comments. This really leaves the classic start/finish line 1/3rd the way up the beat. The course could be shortened when the leader rounds the leeward mark so boats are only required to pass through the finish line at the finish. Otherwise without the fast scarry moths of last year i don't think we need any restrictions of a gate up or down wind.
The alternative running finish would use the same course but boats would have to pass through the gate down wind to avoid having to count laps.
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This is my proposed course (this is like the Weston Grand Slam 2007):
1) You start between ODM and CB.
2) You leave WM to port.
3) You go between LM and ODM.
4) Repeat 2 and 3 until you get a hooter when you cross the line between LM and ODM.
This way there are few buoys to remember, you don't have to remember which lap you are on, there is choice of leeward mark, everyone finishes near where the start will be, and there are downwind finishes.
WM
ODM------------LM------------CB
Did you see this from further up the thread? It complies with your requirements and has some other benefits including being easier to move round if the wind changes and keeping the CB close enough to see what is going on and do the finishing but far enough to avoid 'mating' issues.
My reason for not wanting the 'classic' is that we had some bad feedback about it last year so we should try to address those problems:
1) If you force everyone to go through the gate upwind then it is not a good idea to allow people to go through the gate downwind. The reason we do it like we do is because the 1995 nationals had many near-misses and tactical capsizes to avoid collisions. Feedback from competitors gave us the current situation of insisting on the upwind gate and insisting that people miss it on the way down.
2) If you allow people to miss the gate on non-finishing laps then you are back to having to count laps so you know when to go through it - not popular either.
The proposed system has flexibility both on and off the wind, does not require lap-counting and crucially is an attempt to address the feedback from last year.
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WM
ODM--------CB
LM
According to the "least sides of square at 45 degree boxes" the coruse drawn above - deliberately pushing the line to the right still ends up with a gate that is not a killer. Does this compromise on the traditional WL course make sense?
PS Liked the Weston course
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Sorry: Don't understand what you are on about!
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Set ODM to be inline with WM and LM. CB further to right. Results in an unbiased line in terms of distance to sail close hauled to the top mark, but biases the left for heading downhill. Page 6 of the coaching book someone gave me.....
MODIFICATION
To sail from ODM to windward mark you obviously can't go dead upwind and the shortest distance/ number of tacks from ODM is the same as from the CB
OR Even
For every unit up the page you move you have to move one unit left or right so the race to the WM is not effected by the bias of the line. All this assumes that you have to tack to make it from the CB to WM!
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I think I see.
The feedback last year was that having to avoid the gate downwind was too difficult if the wind shifted/increased/both.
Moving the line one way or the other makes things better in the event of one direction of windshift, but worse in the case of the other direction. If you went round the top and bore away such that you were nearly pointing at the LM. Your shifted line makes it easier to miss the ODM.
If you went round the top and found that you had to gybe to get to the bottom at all, then you'd have more trouble getting round your shifted line than if it was in the middle.
What is the attraction of a mid-beat line?
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Right, here we have a Nationals Entry form!
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I am sorting out the course situation. The courses in the appendix are just a generic list the club use. Thanks for all your input and I have taken on board what people are saying, but it will be sorted soon. I will email everyone a copy of the final SI's as well as upload them on here. But for now, fill in the entry form and get your names down!
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The cheque is in the post!
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Hi, I'll come, here is my entry form.
Due to the incompatibility of the cheque between our countries, tell me how we can consider it as a firm confirmation.
I will definetely assume the 80 £ fees in case of late unpredictable cancellation.
Regards
Ghislain
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We can pay for you Ghislain.
Lucy
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Printed and in the envelope!
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mine's in the post
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Just made a new topic for anyone looking for a crew or for a sail;
Crew Search Topic (http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/forum/index.php/topic,213.0.html)
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Our form is in the post also ;D
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Roz & I are in!
(Now that I am recovering from shock of parenthood and realising that life might still carry on afterwards!)
I am in full support of Will's course suggestion for all the good reasons he points out.
I dont see shortening being a problem. If there is a number of laps (max, unless shortened) posted on the committee boat, once the PRO has a measure of us he should rarely need to shorten. If he has a target time for the first finisher (that the fleet knows of) the shorten course becomes predictable and the leaders know to look out for it. Even if you miss it at the top of the run, you are still passing thru that gate anyway (so cant miss finish) and by the time you get near the bottom it should be obvious, saving you going for a drop.
Peter
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Fantastic! There was speculation over your attendance (something to do with 800 sailing....).
Just over a month away now, I can't wait!
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My form is on route.
I'll be sailing with Debi as my guest crew this year.
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http://www.sandyhavencampingpark.co.uk/
This is a local campsite recommended by Simon Turnbull (Strangley Brown's crew - and Strangely Brown is coming to the nats!)
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Early arrivals at the nationals are welcome. The Club is open all day every day.
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Are the club allowing camping in the club compound like last time??
Cheers
Ben B
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Yes but it may fill up. There is a field beside though, and Little T's girlfriend's mum (or something) has a campsite about a mile away too.
Really glad to hear you are coming Ben!
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And we'll be there with Fluffy too.
Remember to park my boat far from LFC :P
However I can park my car close to yours for late parking beers and farts :D
Been away from the forum for a while... must work less and sail more!
Fluffy still has the scars ;) but more because we've been so hopeless at doing any of the work we had planned. Will bring a tent on the off chance that I don't spend every night flaked out in the back of the Landy... hooray for car park beers and cherubs. See you all there.
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a and b: yes.
c: Don't know. v unlikely to be safety boats on weekdays. However sat and sunday it is v likely.
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We could always test the course on the Monday before the Nats?
On this note have we asked the club about arriving early - we would like to pitch tent on Thursday night, but are wondering:
a) Is that OK with the club.
b) Can we sail from the club from Friday onwards.
b) Will there be cover on the days before the racing begins. If we provide our own rib drivers would that help (we are happy to cover a stint if this helps). Although this is not a biggi it would be nice to know that we can get a lift back in if the mast decends and training video/pictures would be useful.
Am starting to get all excited - now just need to get the boat ready...
a and b: yes.
c: Don't know. v unlikely to be safety boats on weekdays. However sat and sunday it is v likely.
Thanks
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Next question - does anyone know what time the first race is on Wed? Think we will not get there till later on due to my work committments.
Cheers
Ben
Swimming along behind Monkey Magic having not sailed since Brightlingsea last year!
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The first warning signal is not before 1300 on every day.
Hope that is late enough for you to make the start Ben ;D
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I might be coming with a HUGE 12 man tent and a marquee (for the inevitable boat repairs).
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Hope you have a big rucksack - remember the Polo will be struggling under 2 boats and kit as it is :-)
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Is the club happy with the ideaof us turning up on Saturday?
Will they charge us for the week before?
And camping from the same day?
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Camping is free - first come first served and at-own-risk (just like every campsite) though.
Turning up early is fine: V welcome. The club is manned all day every day.
BW
Will
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So who, other than those that have done the decent thing and worked out how to post their names in the national page, is coming?
We are in Monkey Magic - although possibly not going to make the first race - nothing new there for me.
Ben
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So who, other than those that have done the decent thing and worked out how to post their names in the national page, is coming?
With my morning coffee I've been transferring anyone who posts they are comming in this list to the Wiki.
Not sure on total numbers, rumour was that over 20 had pre-entered over a month ago.
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Add us to the list with Scumbag, be there Tuesday evening, please dont drink all the beer before then !
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Sorry Graham, I really can't promise anything! :P
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We are putting shiny back together again and willbe there and we have already entered
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We are all going on our summer holiday....
Leaving now see you there.
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alas no blonde action for the nationals as no crew and sails are kinda still in panel format.
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"One cherub boom Debi does ass damage" thought for a moment I had logged into my other favorite website ;D .See you on Tuesday
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Having had several aborted attempts to get out to practice recently due to the recent gales we finally got out on Fri eve.....and whilst checking the range of my kicker snapped the boom...BOOM! DOH!
I have arranged the borrow of a RS700 boom which I think has same goosneck (TBC today), all be it over long.
Can anyone recommend a source for the carbon tube for replacement? or anyone got a spare section to sell? Is it just a matter of calling Superpars/Seldon? I have all the fittings so if I get the tube fitting it out should be within even my capabilities, maybe! My old one was 2480mm long by 78mm external diameter.
I am at Pembrokeshire Tue pm - hopefully
Cheers
Peter
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Can anyone recommend a source for the carbon tube for replacement?
I can recommend "Aardspars". A very good price and a very nice product. Contact 'Terry Cooke' ( ex Gill ) through Aardvark Technologies, or [email protected]
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If you can't get a tube in time I'm sure between us we can make a section that will work.
A 70mm plastic down pipe will make a good mandrel as long as we don't heat it too much.
I've had a last minute crew change but new crew sailed with me at Thornbury regatta. He comes with a transit van so we have free accom. The van is nearly the same colour as the boat. We did a long distance race from thornbury to Sharpness. 2 hours in total covering about 18 miles. a least a third of that was helped by the tide. We had a great 1 mile long, 2 sail leg near the finish with both of us on the wire and the boat was leaping off the waves. ( In 10 knots of true wind). Humph I hope it's not too balistic at Pembrokeshire. See you Tuesday!
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Hi Pete
Alan Sign has just the thing - a brand new, unused Selden boom with gooseneck and kicker fixings - came from a 13 ft skiff in Aus.
It's at Stokes. I'll locate it this morning. Pls call me if of interest.
Kevin Ellway
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Thanks all,
I am sorted for the Nationals with a borrowed RS700 boom which will do the job nicely, all be it over long. (I now just have to also fix everything else from yesterdays sail, including stopping at a sailmaker tomorrow!)
I have all the fittings so planned to call Superpars to get a bare tube that I might try to collect on my way up tomorrow (I will take the broken one also ) . I will also take the broken one to contemplate repair.
Kevin- is Alans available for sale?
Peter
07912 101590
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I'm sure that there will be enough knowledge, materials and enthusiasm to repair your broken boom. It will certainly keep any idle minds occupied too. With any luck you will leave the event with two or even three booms to choose from.
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Congratulations to Pete Barton and Roz Allen for winning the 2008 Nationals.
Please follow the link for the full results.Results (http://www.halsraceresults.com/crsv2/crs.aspx?DSKey=309&ClassKey=1986931912&SeriesKey=395939625)
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Yes - top effort to Pete and Roz!
And congrats to Noycey - our new president!
Now I want you to imagine I am Maf writing:
"We need to get the write up done for Tuesday. Put your memories down in this thread and I'll try to put them all together. 'That time when.....' is no good. Please write something like, 'On the 1st beat in the second race a seagull crapped on my head'. (obviously not exactly that - that would be silly). I'll then put them together with some of the excellent pics and that will be that."
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I've got some Spacebook/Myface classics on my camera...
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Some memories for you to pad out include others items in.
Tuesday lots of hooning around having fun and tinkering. Roland decided that his T-foil wasn't strong enough.
day 1 angle BAY windy lots of capsizing on the gybes. Difficult to decide weather to go for the better wind on the right of the beat despite the adverse tide or the lighter wind on the left with less tide. several boats missed the spreader mark.
SCUM BAG broke her mast, Shiny broke her foils, lots of fixing through the night.
Day two We noticed our culkhead had delaminated straped it up with a peice of drift wood and went sailing. Some boat late for start in Sandy haven bay. right paid hansomly upwind, left helped down wind. Close racing between the three 97 rules DOGs and Scum bag. results after day two very close.
day three Sandy Haven bay. Starts getting very competitive. Lightish winds but left paying upwind and down wind ( near cliffs) Loco going very well. Slippery getting better of other 97 rules boats and pulling ahead on points in the overal standings. Shiny back on water with fixed foils.
Day 4 Sandy haven bay
moderate winds decreasing to light winds. Slippery reached 1st windward mark in second race in 3rd place after finding a lift. We nearly ised the last start but made a good one below anti and made the top mark in 4th finished 6th at bottom of run race shortened (best result of the event).
Loco best newcomer
Slippery 1st 97 rules
Flat stanley best conversion
Epoch 2 prettiest boat
shiny best destruction
STu T. Most unruly behaviour.
great event- looking forward to the next one.
Sarah was 22nd out of 30 at Byte worlds but didn't break anything and completed all races. She was being kept going by Imbruprofen on the windy days. But 4 1 hour races a day was quite a hard programme.
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'That time when.....' is no good.
A rule that has served me well when writing race reports is "If no-one can tell me when that incident happened then no-one will be able to tell me that when I say it happened is wrong..."
And after all, (with apologies to the shade of Douglas Adams) then, if truth is beauty, and beauty is truth, then whatever makes for the best write up must be what actually happened...
There is no hard line between fact and fiction:-)
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I've put a load of pictures on facebook - in the cherub group....Stu T took lots of on the water pictures using maf's camera, which might be good to add to the write up?
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Hmm. Well done Maf for getting everyone organised so quickly after his election!
Day 1:
Weather report: Up to 20 knot WSW wind.
Course report: The race team set a course in the north facing semicircular Angle Bay opposite the club. The right of the course included three huge tugs on a single swinging mooring (complete with friendly waving crews), two mile-long jetties for commercial vessels including the new Liquid Natural Gas terminal, and the main shipping channel.
Race 1 report: The start happened on time. The fleet got away cleanly with Pete Barton and Roz Allen in "Ronin" blitzing everyone by superior startsmanship. There was more foul tide in the main channel to the right up the beat but a headland caused gas in a strip down the middle of the top half of the course. Teams found the better breeze on the right outstripped the foul tide and went over there, having to cope with tug hazard, giant mooring buoy hazard, navigation mark hazard, and huge jetty hazard into the bargain. Defending champions Will and Lucy Lee in "The Antidote To Panel Games" had a dreadful start and set about finding the afterburner button.
By the top it was Ronin followed by Antidote at a decent interval and the battle was on. By the bottom the gap had closed but it was still Ronin by several tens of boatlengths. A dragrace to the right (dodging tugs, buoys, and a pair of trawlers along the way) resulted in the better speed of Antidote counting for little against the far better pointing of Ronin.
At the top it was Ronin with Antidote closer than the previous lap but still behind. Bigger breeze allowed Antidote to catch and roll Ronin who gybed. Antidote kept going to hit the far right and tore in at Warp 8.6 (approx) to take the lead at the bottom only to lose it again instantly to Ronin on the drop. By the next top mark Ronin was so far ahead few things could alter the outcome, and they even caught the race committee off guard - being there so fast that they ended up doing an extra lap on their own!
Ronin, Antidote, Subtle Knife.
Race 2 report: Before race two a rib visited every boat to say that a tanker was about to go down the channel (thanks to those guys) so racing was not to go beyond the channel markers. It was a similar story, with Ronin nailing the start and staying ahead throughout the race this time.
Ronin, Antidote, Subtle.
Race 3 report: I can't remember anything about race 3. This might have been the one where we went right over to between the jetties. There was another incident when we were ahead and tacked on Ronin but their pointing angle was so much higher we could not sustain it.
Damage report: An elderly-but-still-fast boat Platypus 2656 'Scumbag' with Graham and Eddie Bridle aboard broke their Proctor mast in moderate airs by the T terminal at the top of the shroud ripping a nice foot long slot in the side of the mast before parting company and the the mast breaking at gooseneck level. Big disappointment on the first day! However Simon Goodwin, Gavin Sims, and Lucy and WIll Lee had it stuck together again by midnight.
Dave Ching and Lara Gonzalez-Ruiz's Paterson 7 "Shiny Beast"'s eleven year old board suddenly chose to inexplicably break off about half way down too. This repair took a little longer but they did sail again in the regatta with the help of their friends. (and sander, carbon, vac pump, resin, peelply, and crucially, knowhow and support)
Evening report: Wasn't this the Stu Tinner 'I'm a pirate' evening?
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Lucy here (my computer is still in holiday mode)
Day 2:
much lighter winds, with marginal twinning up wind and down. Racing was in Sandy Haven Bay, with the race committee starting the racing dead on 1pm, and catching a few boats out.
On the fourth race there was a very long beat into the steady southwesterly, with a tanker parked on the inshore side near the windward mark. For the next two races the mark was moved a bit closer to avoid the stationary hazard.
On all three races Ronin took full advantage of the favoured right side of the beat getting three easy bullets. Antidote rolled the dice to try their luck with the slightly greater pressure on the left, but were set back by the tide every time giving them 2,3,2. Subtle Knife also chose hard right up the beats and came home 3,2,3.
Day 3:
Sandy Bay again, with similar wind strength to Day 2, but from south east, swinging to south between races necessitating a swift change in course.
The starts were hotting up with a general recall in race 7, and Antidote was holding on to Ronin for longer thanks to a few rig tweaks but didn't manage to break their run of bullets. Lots of tide near the windward mark, with a change from ebb to flood between races 8 & 9 and a funny eddy in the bay made for lots of tactical decisions.
Day 4:
Sandy Bay again. Wind from the south again, decreasing from marginal twinning in race 10 to foredecksville by race 12.
Again, lots of tide out by the windward mark, and this time it paid to bang the left up and down despite the weed hazard.
Another general recal in Race 10, and then a clean start with Antidote managing to stay with Ronin up the beat, and hoist in front of them on the first lap. Ronin got away down the run, but only just. Things were close again up the second beat till Antidote had an attack of stage fright and tipped it in on a tack, giving Ronin the race and letting Subtle through in second.
In race 11 Antidote had their best start of the week and managed to staty in front of Ronin till the drop on the first lap, were Ronin had a smoother rounding at the righthand end of the gate. They led till the end, but there was only a few boat lengths in it.
Race 12 was curtailed after one lap as the breeze was dying and the fog was rolling in.
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Evening report: Wasn't this the Stu Tinner 'I'm a pirate' evening?
I think that was Thursday :D
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Looks like you had a good event full of fun and navigational hazards! Howeve no boat and no collar bone ruined this one for me. There's always 2011 I suppose...
I posted an observation mid way through the week which somehow got lost when the website wobbled but is still true as I look at the finished results. I am a little biased as Simon Roberts is a very good mate of mine, however his designs or design derivatives occupy the following spots...
3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,14 and then none of his through to last (21st) place!
Not bad for 3 different designs where the newest is 11 years old now!
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Also very numerous!
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The report is now up on Y and Y, thanks to Stuberry for the photos, Will and Lucy for the report from the front of the fleet and Phil for his views of the middle. I have tried to fill in the gaps where i can. I know a few of you haven't been able to give your views due to the website issues, something which when completely fixed (thanks Phil!) should not be a problem making our reports even more comprehensive :) I also got an email from Mark Jardine encouraging us to get our nationals gear guide filled in, which should not be too much work if everyone does their own boat, i will try and fill in gaps after giving everyone a chance.
Gear guide can be found at the bottom of our class page http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/classes/?s=42&c=10
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That gear guide is going to be awesome reading! Make sure it plays to the classes strengths, we need date designed, date built, designed by, hull material etc...that will put the cat amongst the SMOD pigeons!
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They don't allow the good stuff, sadly. And the word 'custom' does not do justice to home built.
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Our first cherub nationals (well I did one in about 1978 but we'll brush over that). Briefly I wanted to say thanks to everyone for being so friendly to fleet newcomers. I've been in a few fleets over the years, and NEVER have I experienced such comerarderie (sp?) among competitors, its a tremedous advert for the class and really helps when you're feeling in unchartered waters.
And of course a special thanks to Gavin, Simon, Will and Lucy for bringing our mast back from its carbon grave, such selfless assistance I have never witnessed before; one day you WILL let me buy you a beer !
You have a lifelong convert now in Eddie, mention any other boat than a cherub and he comes over all grumpy and refuses to do his homework. Debi he hasnt taken the shirt off yet !
Onwards now with plans for fleet domination by 2011, mind your backs !
Graham and Eddie.
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Debi he hasnt taken the shirt off yet !
Sounds like a true cherub sailor now! ;D Bet he hated going back to school this week - or did go under the uniform?!?
Glad you both had a good time! :D
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Graham, I picked up Eddie's groovy red hoodie which he left behind! Roland has it now and it will be sent to you sometime in the near future (PM me your address).
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It was good to see you both. I enjoyed the close racing we had and secretly I think Tom was worried that he might be beaten by a younger cheruber. The class is addictive so I don't think you are going to get Eddie into anything else for a while.
Wear that shirt with pride.
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Thanks for filling in the gear guide, just Subtle Knife and Loco to go, if anyone knows the details of these boats please could you fill in what you know. Also the pembroke photographer has finally put the gallery up at http://www.pembs-events.co.uk/23/med/PP08_Che_977.htm for anyone interested.
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Thanks for filling in the gear guide, just Subtle Knife and Loco to go,
Subtle Knife was all the same kit as the 2007 guide (hyde sails, c-tech mast, with aardvark and hartley the rest). Si weighed in at 70kg and myself at 82kg.
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Who put noycey down as 125kg?
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He's not a gramme over 124kg!
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yeah, who did put that?! I'm only 87kg I'll have you know!! >:(
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Loco is an Aardvark hull and T/foil, C/tech rig, Fyfe main/jib and north kite. Dean weighs 50 Kg's, I weigh 65 Kg's Hence the amount of twinning
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Dean weighs 50 Kg's, I weigh 65 Kg's Hence the amount of twinning
dying to make a comment about lightweights ;)
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From the nationals, a very official notice posted at the club.
"navigate with caution": I love it!