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Cherub Chat => Calendar Events => Topic started by: Stuberry on February 23, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
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What? UK Cheurb Inland Championship
When? Saturday 26th & Sunday 27th September 2009
Where? Corus SC, Port Talbot, S.Wales
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Looking forward to another HOWWWLLLERRR
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is this with the Int Canoes As offered because the date appears to differ from the date for Their regatta.
It will certainly make it a bit easier flying around the lake with less of the slower boats to avoid.
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yes its a shared date with the canoes
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Ok at current standings i have a crew, 95% of a working boat and the desire to do at least one cherub event this year, just wondering what the plan is for camping/crashing, eating and general living for the weekend?
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Previously there was no problem with camping either in the club compound or on the grass just outside.
If the weather is horrible or people just wish a bit more comfort we will happily open our house to Cherubers. We are just north of Bristol so it is a bit of a drive back. last year we decided to retreat to bristol after the howling winds required some boat repairing and body repairing.
Anyone wanting to travel to bristol on friday night to avoid an early start on Saturday morning is also welcome at ours.
Post code BS37 5EU tel 0770930987. Would appreciate notice so we can have a cup of tea ready for you!
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Drat, cleared the diary for the other date and moved something onto this one. Ho hum - wishing you all 25knots plus for the weekend as last time it was a giggle.
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With 25knots me and my crew (combined 28st) may even be at an advantage for once, lol.
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remember last year quite clearly.
It would be right to say that we struggled. Pulled off a spectacular pitch pole but survived many more nose dives.
our comedy moment was being rescued. Sarah swapped with rescue boat driver who helped me get the boat upright and back to the slip way. Sarah meanwhile got promoted to rescue boat driver and went off to get the Lee's and other debris.
I'm hoping it isn't quite so windy this year. At least we will be saved the regatta pursuit race. 30 boats of a range of classes with a running start to the gybe at the first mark.
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Ok so the role call so far is :
Shiny Beast
Slippery When Wet
Argument Clinic
Sweet Dreams
Anyone else going to nail their colours to the mast.
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Badgers will be there too
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Atum is going
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I'm going to try and get the weekend off work for this.
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Provided the forecast isn't ballistic we intend to be there
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I want to come to this but Stanley is out of action after the nationals. Anyone need a crew? Could get Stanley on the water by then if I can get transport.
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forecast isn't ballistic for the foreseeable future thanks to the high pressure systems over us at present.
Also should be dry and possibly sunny so our tent intends to be in the car for saturday night.
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So who is this now....
Shiny Beast
Slippery When Wet
Argument Clinic
Sweet Dreams
Badger Nadgers
Atum Bom
Yosagi
Strangely Brown?
Any more takers? Would be nice to see 10 for the last (ish) event of the season.
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i cant make this as no crew and prob gotta start doin skool work
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Haven't seen a start time.
We're staying overnight near Caerphilly so can get there fairly early but would be nice to know when the kick off is.
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Is there a plan for Saturday night?
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Start times for Inlands from Corus Sailing club.
Briefing Sat 12:30
Sat 1st race 13:05 3 races back to back
Sun 1st race 10:50 2 races back to back lunch then 6th race
Event jointly with International Canoes [ details on thier web site]
Corus website updated with above
Hope this helps
Evening Social: in 2007 since we stayed over at Corus and went to Swansea for a meal.
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There is curry house in Port Talbot which I have been to before which wasn't bad. The food was good and so was the quantity, but no offence to any Port Talbot'uns reading this, but it really is a dive so maybe a trip to Swansea would be a better bet!
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Hmmmm, the forecast is looking scintilating! Might even leave the brown pants at home this weekend as not sure we'll be needing them ;)
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Sorry to be a party pooper but team Badgers isn't going to be coming any more. The combined factors of 800 miles between us in the car for 3 mph doesn't really seem economical... and Alex is going travelling for 4 months early on Monday so has probably sensibly decided that getting ready might be in order.
I really hope that everyone has an excellent time and the wind comes (although I will be thoroughly gutted reading the report on Monday!)
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We decided late night last night that unfortunately 2-3mph doesn't quite justify 4.5 hours each way in a car. I'm sure now we've decided this its going to blow a gale all weekend. Hope you all have fun,
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Well you are all very feeble and missed out on a superb day of sailing yesterday. Wind and sun!
The cherubs arrived to a glassy Corus SC. Some feeble types with a preoccupations with windpessimist chose to stay at home, but the remainder knew that the combination of the seaside location and the long south facing slope above the club often means local breeze. Even if they didn't know that they might have remembered last year: Proper breezy with a forecast of the square root of no breeze.
Corus is a friendly club where the welshcakes cost 25p for two. Among its other virtues are a grassy rigging area and flat water with relatively uninterrupted breeze.
While rigging, catching up on news, and welcoming four new faces to the traveling fleet (Son and father team Greg and Dave Fudge and husband and wife team Andy and Jill Peters) - obviously the rest of these teams were welcomed too, but I suppose we started with the faces because those werre the most visible and identifiable parts - the wind filled in.
The first race started on time with a straightforward windward-leeward with an interesting twist: The leeward mark was set a few boat lengths upwind of the committee boat and the finish line was set from the boat to there. That way if laps were miscounted no-one would lose out. It also meant that the startline can be moved while people are still finishing, reducing the gap between races.
It was side-sitting and some playpen work for crews while trying to make sense of the patchy wind. Everyone except Atum Bom had the bias on the line correct and started at the left. Difficult to interpret shifts had converging boats deciding who was going to pass in front of whom, but top sniggling skills had Andy and Jill Peters in their new Ellway 5 'Yosagi Jojimbo' (it's a cartoon samurai rabbit, obviously) first at the top. Downhill it was pressure-seeking and guarding the centre, but no-one caught Yosagi. In second was Atum Bom (it's Portugese for 'good tuna', needless to say). Sorry - can't remember who was third but it could have been Shiny Beast, followed by Slippery When Wet and Argument Clinic (It's a Monty Python sketch, as you all know)
The second race was a little bit more pressure, and Atum Bom grabbed a lane of pressure on a favourable angle upwind to lead at the top. It didn't last - and a lap later it was Yosagi again, pullling away with superior angles downhill.
In time for the last race it was more breeze with twinnability for the lighter crews. Upwind pace was even now so many boats arrived at the top together. After a split, where boats elected for space from each other to be able to really open the gas, it was more simultaneity at the bottom before, after a hitch aboard Atum requiring a hasty mainsheet retie, Yosagi got away again.
After the racing, in near-perfect wind and fabulous sun, Cherubs blasted until everyone was suitably knackered and yearning for curry.
Evening activity was going to Porthcawl, where inexplicably there was a convention of Elvis impersonators ("Come and see the real Welsh Elvis - tonight!"), and eating curry before campability in time for the next day's instalment.
(Sadly team Atum Bom (Paul Croote and Will Lee) had to go home due to a double-deal of family and work commitments, so tomorrow's write up will have to be by someone else)
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Sunday's entertainment started early for the campers. Once the effects of several drinks wore off the activity and multi coloured smoke from the steel works gave all a few sleepless hours.
When dawn came there was not a breath of wind. After bacon butties and much bimbling we eventually launched for two back to back races. With some pin bias and only 4 boats on the line several boats considered a port end flyer. The wind was light and the crews contorted themselves as far forward as possible to gain some speed. Although Josagi Joyimbo had boat speed but Shiny beast were chasing shifts and hanging on the the elway's transom. Slippery were now third ahead of an improved Argument Clinic but these two didn't have the pace of the leaders.
Rae two saw Shiny take a lead and some close racing between them and Yosagi continued for two laps. Yosagi gained the lead when Shiny's kite caught behind a speader and stubbonly refused to free it'self.
After a break for lunch and to give time for the sea breeze to fill in properly the final race got underway.
The rabbit with a string of firsts did not sail the final race and instead had opted for a gentle de riging in the sun. Slippery opted for the port hand start ducking Shiny. Argument Clinic also had a good start and shadowed the two leaders. At the windward mark SHiny led by a boat length hosted but could not shake the chasing blue boat.
The two rounded the leeward mark still close together. Slippery tacked off for clear air and lost ground. At the second wndward mark SHiny had another Kite tangle and SLippery overtook her.Shiny spent the final beat untangling the errant halyard whilst giving chase. By the middle of the final run the kite was back up again but SLippery was too close to the finish to catch and victory was hers.
The overal positions had
Yosagi Yombino 1st
Shiny Beast 2nd Slippery When Wet 3rd
Corus had put on a great weekends sailing and it was great to see a few different faces on the circuit.
Well done to Argument Clinic for taking the plunge . We hope you will join in with a few more events next year.
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Thoughts for the day!
Never listen to weather forecasts.
Always wear sunscreen.
You can trust me on the sunscreen.
Brilliant sailing friendly club.
El Presidente = El Absentee. What a wimp ;)
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and my thoughts
Corus has changed in name only since I was a member almost 20 years ago (that is good and bad...)
The E5 is probably faster than other designs upwind (even in our hands)
The E5 is most certainly faster than other designs downwind
Sailing an E5 gives truth to the saying boatspeed makes a good tactician (I think we tacked on 2 shifts the entire weekend)
I'm liking sailing the Cherub more each time I sail The Rabbit
Shame more people don't sail one
The RS200 Inlands next weekend are going to be different in every way.
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Sailing an E5 gives truth to the saying boatspeed makes a good tactician (I think we tacked on 2 shifts the entire weekend)
Mind you, from my POV on the end of a plank I have never known an event with quite such consistently one sided beats... Whilst there were shifts in abundance none ever seemed to be worth taking the unpteen boat lengths a pair of tacks cost you on the IC when there was always a big shift waiting at the top. I think I banged right on pretty much every beat. The only major decision point seemed to be when to tack onto port off the start line.
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I agree with you on that one Jim
When ever we tried to be tactical we lost out from having done the extra tacks or at best came out with no gain.
We did keep looking to the left to see Shiny going faster and pointing higher and wishing we were there too.
You can't teach an old DOG new tricks but it does seem to remember all the old ones.
Andy,
We are back at Corus this Sunday for the final event of our regional enterprise series. De ja vue? I'd rather be sailing the Cherub!
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It was just Shiny then.
We went for the tacking on the shifts and gained most of the time.
We would go around the leeward mark behind Andy and hit the windward mark ahead or level.
The only time we would loose out is the time we spent going in the same direction.
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I found on the Saturday that most of the time there was a wind bend on the right side of the coarse abeam the clubhouse. Most beats we tacked on it and when we got to the middle of the lake we tacked back onto starboard where we seemed to get a bit of a lift towards the mark. It didnt work every beat but seemed to work more often than not. Did anyone else find somethng like this or was I imagining it?
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I think it changed. On Saturday doing less tacks and ignoring the shifts to a large extent seemed to work. On Sunday it didn't and taking the shifts was quicker. We used boat speed to keep Dave level or behind, and when that didn't seem to work (and he right in saying on Sunday it didn't) we took a couple of shifts on the last beat. Shifts plus an E5 is a winning combination - please no one else build one, I'm liking this boat speed advantage ;)
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I download the GPS and we did get some good upwind taking angles. But as you say we did loose alot of distance in the tacks. Shame we lost the mainsheet on the last race (my dodgy knot) as we were taking the same track and it would have been interesting to see the difference
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I tend to agree there were some good angles to get on Saturday but we were traveling faster so the gains are less. So probably not qute banging the angles.
Sunday was slower and taking on shifts was the way to go.
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We sailed the ent at the regatta at Corus last Sunday.
We were recognised by some of the locals who asked where's the cherub then!
Similar conditions and there were some noticeable shifts .
It felt a lot slower than the cherub and the boat felt as if it was carrying about 50 litres of water in the tank. Actually it was 50kgs of additional tree (in the construction).
One bonus of sailing the ent is that the Cherub always feels a good deal faster afterwards.