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Off Topic => Banter => Topic started by: roland_trim on June 20, 2012, 11:33:45 AM

Title: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: roland_trim on June 20, 2012, 11:33:45 AM

OK - in my current task of doing as little as I possibly can I may have resorted to YouTube. I came accross this from  a Mr H. "like" and thought it was a photoshop.
Have googled and failed to find out what this actually is. When I find out I will be finding the rules to see if you can remove the lead from the bottom of that bulb....

http://youtu.be/sshXv8UKz7M (http://youtu.be/sshXv8UKz7M)

How about we try ot hook up with this class for a regatta in Europe. It would appear we could fit most of an open meeting on just one of them.

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: Torchy on June 20, 2012, 07:53:56 PM

Having also had too much time on my hands I also spotted that one and also Simon J's voice at the end. I assumed it was a Santander video

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: roland_trim on June 20, 2012, 08:01:03 PM

Strawberry points out the link was not correct...

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: Graham Bridle on June 20, 2012, 08:04:07 PM

Bagsy helm, and Bagsy not pulling it ashore.

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: Torchy on June 20, 2012, 08:07:36 PM

Yes, I saw that one too...I WAS very ill. Awesome machine...I was left wondering how they right it after a capsize

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: phil_kirk on June 20, 2012, 11:24:17 PM

Thanks for sharing that with us.

From a purely performance angle the guy in the red jacket was not adding to the boat speed.  I assume he pays the bills and is allowed to sit where he damn likes on board.  From the sail letters i'm guessing the boat is registered in Hungry.  The style of boat is as wacky as the italian lake boats.

It is also an example why offshore racing rules do not allow trappezes.  Otherwise Torchy's clip of the volvo 70 in the atlantic would have had 10 guys on trapeeze  as well. 

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: dave_ching on June 21, 2012, 06:56:23 AM

Something tells me downwind was tricky as they cut just after the windward mark

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: roland_trim on June 21, 2012, 07:59:47 AM

"The Trapezisten must keep their feet always contact with the flexible arms, so the formation of pyramids is forbidden."

Found the class, http://www.classe-libera.org/ (http://www.classe-libera.org/). If I won the lottery I'd prefer to have a fleet of Cherubs for alot less cash, but once I've built them maybe...

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: BenR on June 21, 2012, 11:16:37 AM

http://strictlysailinc.com/ultimate%2030.htm (http://strictlysailinc.com/ultimate%2030.htm)
These look like they could be some fun in a breeze

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: phil_kirk on June 21, 2012, 12:09:10 PM

Is this the same as the ultra 30?  At the same sort of time 90's there was a UK series of harbour courses which was on TV.

I saw one of these in Hamble a few years back but not sailing.

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: Will_Lee on June 21, 2012, 12:34:18 PM

IIRC the Ultra 30 is to the Ultimate 30 as the Arup was to the Cherub - a contained one-design class within a development class.

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: john_hamilton on June 21, 2012, 06:54:38 PM

ive been following them on facebook for a while, the photos they come up with are pretty awesome, with some nice hounds height 360 shots!!

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: JimC on June 21, 2012, 10:23:58 PM

Ultimately (sorry) the Ultras/Ultimates were pretty nasty things if my memory serves me right. The cube square law was against them and the numbers weren't very good - ratios similar to a pre amalg UK 14 and largely worse than a Cherub IIRC. As I recall the US boats, which were box rule/development, collapsed when the 14 based designs were completely horizoned by a couple of antipodean design boats, and the UK class fell apart when they ran out of willing sponsors to pay the exorbitant running costs of such big lumps. If you want a big heavy boat the 18s were better in any way you care to think of.

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: roland_trim on June 22, 2012, 08:41:03 AM

Sat here after missing perfect sailing conditions yesterday from simply not having the energy in the tank, it's definitely the thought of a 12ft Evo that is driving me on to rest up to clear this bug. BTW trying to do as little as possible takes more planning, effeort and self control than you could possibly believe.

Quote from: JimC on June 21, 2012, 10:23:58 PM

If you want a big heavy boat the 18s were better in any way you care to think of.

Jim - Agree about the Ultimate 30's.

These things appear to have no minimum weight - just a "must come back up with mass added to top of mast rule". So maybe with some careful tweaking they could actually be more Cherub than Tug?
 

Title: Re: I see your 18ft Skiff and raise you.....
Post by: Andrew Whapshott on June 23, 2012, 11:19:04 AM

Came across this before, didnt know they actualy had a class of sorts  :o     

Remember seeing an Ultra 30 somewhere once, monster!