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Cherub Chat => Tech Chat => Topic started by: Fabien C on June 16, 2012, 08:44:55 PM
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Hello,
Wanted 2005 rules mainsail to suit Primalscream : I jump in the original one this afternoon during a capsize :(
Hyde didn't (product?) import any cherub sails in France.
which sailmaker can manufacture & send a mainsail to France?
Sorry for my very bad english!
Fabien
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Salut Fabien,
Others with more knowledge will come along but 2 names spring to mind - Pinnell and Bax and Dynamic.
Several recent boats have Dynamic sails. Pinnell and Bax have been associated with Cherubs for some time (I believe) and Hyde I guess as well.
Have you seen the thread about a possible Cherub meeting at Lake Garda next year? No definite plans yet but it is being discussed,
Nigel
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For a new sail you will need to give measurements of your mast to the sailmaker, Phil A may be able to advise on this as he knows the rig
It is often better to go to a local sailmaker who can see your boat in person and easily fix errors, than risk ordering from overseas
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The Dynamic white sails we had in Santander appeared to be very good, but were all cut for the same mast as a copy of the fairly well iterated Ellenor rig. As said below - the sail maker generally needs to work with the rig.
If you were after another Hyde PM me and we can arrange a "deliver to UK and we'll send it on" or better still you could head over and collect it at the nationals? As we are both EU citizens there is no "grey market" implications as long as you are happy to pay the UK VAT.
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Thanks for these answers
I've contacted local sailmakers. To repair the original and to have a quotation for a new one. I will have more news at the end of next week.
In my club, Fred Thouvenin (Mango Jam) has a Hyde mainsail. His brother bought it for Primal, then, gave it to Fred when he sold Primal to me. That's why I wanded a Hyde sail first.
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Sorry to hear that you have gone through the main. If it was the original RMW sail then it has done well to last this long. It was cut for the original CST mast rather than the C-tech mast that I sold the boat with, however it did seem to fit the new mast better than the old one.
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Phil, don't be sorry, It's not the fisrt time, just having less luck this time. . . . The sail is now "fatiguée" (I don't know the word in english : used? tired? how do you say for a sail??).
I've brought the mainsail to a sailmaker this afternoon (Nearly 130€ to repair : two hours of labor + material) and asked a quotation for a new sail, if possible with less trough ("creu" in french) to ride the boat more easily.
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Fabien,
I think I like fatiguée as a word for a tired sail. Hope you get back on the water soon.
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If you've got a C-Tech mast you should certainly investigate what a Fyfe sail from NZ would cost. They work together very well.
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If you've got a C-Tech mast you should certainly investigate what a Fyfe sail from NZ would cost. They work together very well.
Price for Cherub Mainsail NZ$1250 Battens Bluestreak NZ$150 Freight to France NZ$400 Approx
Prices EX NZ Local French Duty/Tax would be extra, (=> + 19. 6%)
I'm waiting for two french sailmakers quotation, but hote it'll be much cheaper!
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I've just been talking to Ken Fyfe about a new set of rags for Atum and it comes in at NZD3600 plus shipping and taxes. Jib is 775 Spinny is 1425 main is the same as Fabien says.
It's looking very steep with the exchange rate but there is no denying how nice the fyfes are maybe next year.
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Don't forget the import taxes, which seem to be very random, and there is no appeal process, and you have to pay upfront in cash. I had to take £700 quid to heathrow to collect the sails. They would not release them without the cash, and once they had taken the cash (and I saw it disappear into someones actual pocket) I had an anxious wait for the sails.
We have also imported sails/masts/etc without charge, though never without hassle. Antiodotes mast and spreader sets got separated and went to different depots, but when I collected the spreader sets someone checked out both the spreaders and the mast. Next day I went to the other depot, "We've never heard of that/you collected it yesterday".
"How could I have collected something from depot A which is at depot B?"
The approach which worked was me saying, "There cannot be many parcels which are 4m long and only about 100mm wide!".
You could just about fly to NZ for the price of the import duty. Things for personal use which have already been opened do not pay import duty. Sails can probably be checked in no problem, top sections and spreader sets too. The bottom section might be a problem but that is probably the least special bit of C-tech kit.
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The current C-tech comes in 3 bits so it's a little bit easier.
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The package for our ctech fitted in the car so was about 2.5m long. I think we had the first 3 peice mast with the extra join at the lower spreaders. C tech said a higher shipping chagre had been introduced on packages over 3.5m. How big are those containers that go into the hold of a jumbo?
The currnet exchange rate and import duty does make things from Auz more expensive against UK products. If you choose carefully I think you can find reasonably priced equivalents but perhaps need to spec them more carefully.
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That's good - not vastly longer than skis.
Fabien,
Pardon: Nous sommes parti du subjet vrai. Pour ta grande voile je suggere: 1er, le c-tech mais c'est difficile d'importer cette choses. 2er, un voiler sympa et pres, avec la vieille voile pour copier les courbes, je n'en attends pas des problèmes.
Bon chance!
Will
[Fabien: Sorry we have left the true subject. For the mainsail 1st I suggest C-tech but it is difficult to import these things (and never mind the cost and the wait). Second, a kind nearby sailmaker, with the old sail to copy the curves, I don't expect any problems.
Good luck!
Will]
PS You may laugh at my French - especially those of you who are French or did A level French!
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Fabien: Second, a kind nearby sailmaker, with the old sail to copy the curves, I don't expect any problems.
That's what I've done. . . but I wait for two weeks now, and they haven't finished the repair & done a quotation yet. . . :-\
PS You may laugh at my French - especially those of you who are French or did A level French!
It seems like my english, isn't it? ;-)
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Will, I was grinning at your english translation of your french, which reads like a native french speaker's...
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The French is the Venn diagram of things I want to say and things I CAN say. The literal back translation was to help the French speakers in case I had bollocksed it up.
Fabien - Bien. Envoyez les pix quand elle arrive SVP.
W
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Pour ta grande voile je suggere: 1er, le c-tech mais c'est difficile d'importer cette choses.
Je pense que vous faites une erreur?
Sûrement parler à Fyfe, pas C-tech?
I was predicted an F at GCSE French and scraped a B (my teacher was furious).
Admit to using Google to correct the "faite" to "faites" and softening the imperitive in the second line.
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I just came back from the sailmaker. As I had no news, I said that I was coming this afternoon to take the sail back, even if it wouldn't be repaired. So they do it but no quotation. They haven't ever cut a skiff sail. . . . they took no dimensions. . .
Two months ago, I've asked to Laurent Thouvenin (who brought back Primalscream to France) to make a new mainsail for solo handing whit a light jib of "Défi Français 1992" I had. The tissue is as new. I just call him to ask for a "normal" mainsail. I think it's - for the moment- the best solution and will wait for solo handing.
Thanks for all answers guys!
I'll post photos as soon as I'll get the new sail.
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Roland - as 2 English speakers, why don't we communicate in English, eh?
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R's English is probably less comprehensible than his French at present. Or at least more liable to misinterpretation. ;D
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How about if I throw in some pidgin Spanish amigos?
Es el pajero, es el avion? No, es el Perro Loco
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Fabien - Bien. Envoyez les pix quand elle arrive SVP.
Fabien - Bien. Envoyez les pix quand elles arrivent SVP.
:-[
(still may be very wrong...)
How did we get into this anyway?
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Fabien,
Tim U. and I have been repairing sails he has fallen through on his RS 700 with this:
http://www.3mselect.co.uk/p-2747-3m-adhesive-transfer-tape-950-50m-roll.aspx#details (http://www.3mselect.co.uk/p-2747-3m-adhesive-transfer-tape-950-50m-roll.aspx#details)
Tim has been sailing his 700 for a few months with a main held together in only this way.
Step 1 - Glue strip to spare piece of sailcloth (same as sail being repaired)
Step 2 - Trim cloth to size of glue.
Step 3 - Roll out sail on a flat dry surface (ensure sail is dry). Place your repair tape over sail with 50mm+ overlap to break
Step 4 - Repeat on other side
Step 5 - Iron with a towel to protect sail from overheating (iron - http://artofmanliness.com/2011/04/06/how-to-iron-shirt/ (http://artofmanliness.com/2011/04/06/how-to-iron-shirt/))
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I do not aprove of that shirt ironing technique.
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Nice sail repair technique.
I always iron shirts collar, cuffs sleaves then main bit.
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Wacth out Phil, Sarah is using your account again ;D
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Thanks for pointing that out Graham. ;D
I don't do cleaning though until the dust in the garage is likely to affect any carbon work.
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Fabien - Bien. Envoyez les pix quand elle arrive SVP.
Fabien - Bien. Envoyez les pix quand elles arrivent SVP.
:-[
(still may be very wrong...)
How did we get into this anyway?
the french sailmaker repaired the sail, but never make a quotation for a newone. The mainsail broke just above the repair 3 navs later.
I'll order a new suit here : http://www.dynamicsails.com/ (http://www.dynamicsails.com/)
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Graham you pretend to be a dinasour but I am sure you are the pinacle of enlightend living. Modern man need evolve no more.