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Cherub Chat => Calendar Events => Topic started by: admin on April 29, 2010, 09:01:19 PM
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What: Traveller
Where: Poole
When: 3rd - 4th July
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Right, not long now... who is coming?
I know Dave Roe is keen so that is a start. For logistical reasons the Badgers Nadgers won't be attending unless I can sort something out, but The Cats Whiskers will be there with Kate and my Dad. (The Badger will be at Thornbury instead)
This leaves me open for crewing duties if anyone needs a crew, or helm? (just for reference, I now ONLY weigh 82kg so not so much of a heavy-wind only option!)
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Uasgi will be showing up.
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EJ in
(probably more in the water than sailing, but we will be there :-) )
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Count Ronin in
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Negative Ghostrider: The pattern is full of my parents' 45th wedding anniversary party!
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why are all the events when my school decides to do compulsory weekends???
s'not fair
cant make it due to a "further learning and team building" activity
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I'll look out for the badger
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Count us in, whats the sleeping options ?
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Is this at Poole Yacht Club?
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Yes it is Poole.
Get your enteries in by the 25/6/2010 to avoide a late payment charge.
Usual rules apply regarding accomadation.
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Following such a fantastic first traveller at Whitstable, I hope we can build on our success by supporting the Traveller at Poole YC on 3rd - 4th July.
Current roll call:
Ronin
Shiney Beast
Riot Van
Zuffle
Exultant Joobs
Usagi
The Cat's Whiskers
The Badger Nadgers
NOR and Entry Form attached...
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Which boat is Zuffle?
You said it was at Whitstable and I am still none the wiser.
Though I must admit to being past all hope on the wise front.
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Zuffle is the name of the modified Pasta Frenzy.
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I notice that the NOR is for "TWILIGHT TROPHY CRUISER RACE" and the entry form talks of a Fast Handicap fleet - will we be racing in a class or a fast handicap ?
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Hi,
I think you were looking at the lead lugger regatta.
Try this http://www.pooleyc.co.uk/cms/index.asp?dir=147&Page=PYC+Club+Regatta&tm=142
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I think the NOR I posted is the right one, but is poorly worded:
"POOLE YACHT CLUB DINGHY REGATTA
TWILIGHT TROPHY CRUISER RACE
NOTICE OF RACE"
It sounds like it is the NOR for the Twilight Cruiser Race that is part of the Poole Yacht Club Dinghy Regatta. What they actually mean is that it is the NOR for the Dinghy Regatta and the Cruiser Race.
The current plan is that we will race in the Assymetric Handicap fleet, but considering we have 8 confirmed, I'll contact the club and see if we can have our own start on the same course.
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Stu,
If it all the same to you could we stick with the asymetric class?
They are a small fleet and our support may make them look better in the eyes of the club.
We are only talking about a 49er, 800, 2 5 tonner's and a 14, oh and a buzz.
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I'm happy with that Dave. Having a few more boats on the line is good practise, and it's better to have one large fleet than 2 small ones!
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I thought feedback from Whitstable was that people found shared starts difficult, but I'm happy to go with the rest of the fleet if it's what everybody would prefer.
Also a quick reminder to people that to avoid the late entry fee you will need to post your application today!
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i think 14 B14's which were more manoeuvrable than us and able to sit on or near the line and smoothly accelerate away is quite different to 6 mostly twin wire boats with different handling characteristics. i could be wrong but from the sounds of it Poole will be a different situation to Whitstable.
The more starts you have the longer the wait between races becomes. Possibly a relief for Dave after Whitstable ;)
Have fun all!
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A little behind the pack as usual, I just went to enter ... am I sounding old and grumpy when I see a £45 entry fee ? Yes, I know its a tenner more because of late entry (I could also rant at this, why does it cost less early, or more late ?)
Is there some mitigating circumstances ? Food ? dancing girls ??
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Graham, generally a 'late payment' fee s added to encourage people to enter early therefore allowing the host club to have an idea on the number of guest boats that will be turning up. As you say it helps them know how much food they need to get. More importantly a better idea on the number of people needed to run the event!
Also it helps have a guarrentee that people will go whaever the weather as they have paid. Not forgetting it's a cheeky way to
make more money from the people that pay late / on the day.
Now if only I could afford to go myself :(
James
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Is there some mitigating circumstances ? Food ? dancing girls ??
It says on the event poster that there is evening entertainment of a hog roast and music, so I assume that the food is included in the entry.
I have entered 2303 early and will be paying the full extended entry price for the Badger... ouch!
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Dave, what are the "Usual rules regarding accomodation" ?
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Sorry guys not going to make this one.
We had a good sail at the weekend in the Ambulance, but Luke needs a bit more time to get his ducks in a row before we venture out on a weekend road trip. It is a bit of a shock to him how much the sails, crew position and the boats heel, and not the rudder, steer the boat. With me crewing and Luke on the stick the boat was sailing well (single wire). A few more light weather weekends for him to get a bit more trapezing confidence and things should start to fall in to place. And we can come and play with the rest of you.
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A floor at our place.
Poole is unfortunately one of the most expensive place in the country to sail.
Just be glad that you are not paying the membership fees, they really hurt.
Having said that Whitstable wasn't the cheepest place in the world.
I did say that early entry was the way to go.
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And we can come and play with the rest of you.
Excellent news. You are guarenteed to beat us, so don't let excess swimming or slow boat speed put you off joining the fun when you feel you are safe to proceed? Personally I found sailing with a fleet of Cherubs is the easiest way to work out how to sail one.
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Graham, I feel your pain. The ball park figure for a weekend open is around £30. Whitstable was £30. Weston are traditionally very good value but the Grand Slam was £30 this year. Even the academy, traditionally expensive, is £33 for a weekend. So £35 is at the top end of the market, but not ludicrously so. The £10 for not sending your form off sooner is the real sting!
The cost of attending sailing events is generally on the up, with petrol now at £1.20 per litre!
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You'll maybe have to kick another ball at prices like that, eh Stu!
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Thornbury is really good value and very friendly.
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If we could put Thornbury on the south coast it would be a world beater.
Easily the best club in the country.
It is just a shame about the sailing.
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I have a guest crew for Poole.
He was well known in the class for a few years but has saddly moved on.
He admits to eating too many wagon wheels since selling his Hot Tuna boat.
Any guesses?
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tom vian, ian christie?
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The new Mr Alverbank?
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If it's who I think it is, I shared an escort with him last time I guest crewed in the shiney one!
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Escort...? As in car? Or have you really become the playboy we have all read about in the papers Stu? ;D
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Yes you did it is none other than Hoppy
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Escort...? As in car? Or have you really become the playboy we have all read about in the papers Stu? ;D
The plot thickens... as I remember it there was a threesome with the aforementioned escort!
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Daryl, You beat me too it. I was going to ask the same thing!
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I remember it well (vaguely), Hoppy, Noycey, myself and an escort. Things got a bit steamy, we had to open some windows! There's a photo somewhere...
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I remember it well (vaguely), Hoppy, Noycey, myself and an escort. Things got a bit steamy, we had to open some windows! There's a photo somewhere...
I've changed my mind I think I shall come to Poole.... :D
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I have to use the word 'remember' in the loosest possibly way... there is a photo which gives me a visual representation of the event. Other than that, I have to rely on other people filling in the details.
It all got a bit crazy when Tinner forced his way in through the back door...
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I really don't remember anything other than laying in the middle of the road in the old town whilst Noycey was asking a random drunk for directions. Oh and some random blue lights on some steps overlooking the sea :-\
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i149/stuarthop/drunk.jpg)
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Oh and some random blue lights on some steps overlooking the sea :-\
To this day I still have absolutely no idea where we actually were...
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[I've changed my mind I think I shall come to Poole.... :D
Joking aside come - the best way to getting started with a Cherub is with a fleet of them. Makes thinking about angles and not stuffing so much easier.
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late entry charge has been extended until 4pm friday.
Roland could you ring me before you come down this weekend.
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So if i pay over the phone now I can get it at the cheaper rate still? I entered one form last week but didn't bother with the other one as I thought I had missed the deadline!
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I can confirm, if you speak to the office you can fax your entry form and still make the cheaper entry fee!
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URGENT - Does anyone have a spare trapeze harness they can bring to Poole? Kate was promised hers would arrive today but it now will not, up to this point she has been using mine but obviously that wont work this weekend sailing different boats! So, if anyone has a harness that would fit either me or Kate, that would be great!
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URGENT - Does anyone have a spare trapeze harness they can bring to Poole? Kate was promised hers would arrive today but it now will not, up to this point she has been using mine but obviously that wont work this weekend sailing different boats! So, if anyone has a harness that would fit either me or Kate, that would be great!
Sorry mate the only one of mine that you'd have a vague hope of getting into I have is the one Patrick Cunningham nicked from me.
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No worries, thanks for the thought.
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[I've changed my mind I think I shall come to Poole.... :D
Joking aside come - the best way to getting started with a Cherub is with a fleet of them. Makes thinking about angles and not stuffing so much easier.
Thanks for that 'Slippy' ... but you do know I've sailed these things before and been a committee member don't you???
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I think that 'Slippy' may have been referring to the learning curve between designs... I know that plenty of folk have gone 'back to basics' when getting their new boats this year!
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URGENT - Does anyone have a spare trapeze harness they can bring to Poole? Kate was promised hers would arrive today but it now will not, up to this point she has been using mine but obviously that wont work this weekend sailing different boats! So, if anyone has a harness that would fit either me or Kate, that would be great!
Panic over, being the great class that it is, a couple of excellent class members have come up with the goods. Many thanks!
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Trading up to 05 rules from 97 rules has been a new learning curve for us. The effect from the proportionally larger jib has to be considered. Getting used to the new deck layout, how the boat responds etc is all different.
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Undoubtedly we have a lot to get to grips with. Me having had 5 years off and Luke not having any trapezeing experience and stepping into one of the hardest dinghies around to sail from Oppies / Mirrors. I was just really checking that Mr Slippy was aware that I had sailed these things before. As it just didn't sound like that from the post. Not a biggie.
From my perspective the Banshee is so much nicer to sail ( dare I say easier! ) than Loco Pero with 2005 rules. I am certainly very pleased with the balance all round. And she is a dream to right from a capsize. This may change as we move up the wind range of course! But right now I need to get Lukes basics really dialled in before we will benefit from fleet racing.
Slowly slowly catchy monkey....
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Finally got back from Poole, Hoppy insisted on having a beer at the sailing club on route....
Just wanted to say Thank You to the Shiny household for putting up with us for the weekend :) We had a great time and it was good to see everyone again ;D
See you all soon
Debi
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Many thanks to all for making this a special weekend. Credit to Lara and Debs for their hard work as land crew.
Not sure who came third, but when writing the report please remember our scorching 3 sail reach during the thrid race - EJ choosing to continue the blast rather than the race (and that after a while memory's fail and the report becomes fact).
A full (and truthful) write up of our outing will appear on our log.
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Yes many thanks to Dave and Lara for the floor space. The racing was a bit of a blur but from my memory this is roughly what happened from our perspective.
The course was a complicated outer loop windward leeward with a reach out and back to it. The bottom reach to the finish was a particarly 'interesting' white sailer in decent breeze. The Saturday started with a postponement waiting for the wind. When the wind arrived it quickly built to 12-15knts.
The first race started with most Cherubs on the line except EJ who had put an unwanted reef in their sails by severely shortening the mast. I'm not sure who lead around the windward mark but it wasn't us. A broad reach followed to the outer loop. Here was where matters got interesting. This was for two reasons:
a) the outer loop was tiny, about a minute downwind with the kite up
b) the outerloop was set right in the middle of the slow boats course, so full of toppers, mirrors and GP14's.
Result, frenetic activity, many near collisions and plenty of swimming for all. In between all of this a halfway decent race for the lead developed between us and Riot Van. Shiny retired twisted and Ronin and Badgers were somewhere behind. We won, Riot Van dropped back a bit (I think stopped for some swimming) I think Ronin were 3rd and Badgers 4th but could be the other way round.
By race 2 the wind had built to 18-20knts. Long wait between races during which we and Riot Van practiced for the sychronised capsizing event to be inaugurated at this years Nationals. Course still the same, mirrors etc still present. Racing was again tight for the first couple of laps until capsizes spread the fleet out a bit. Badgers used their weighty experience to keep the sails pointing upwards and had a clear win. Ronin and us swapped capsizes with Ronin generally in front until their weight undid them and the board decided it had enough of Ross bouncing on it and cracked. This left us free to finish 2nd with Riot Van a fairly distant third. I don't think anyone else finished.
The course was re-set for race three giving a better outer loop. Only three cherubs started this race, the wind was still fairly pokey at 15-20knts. Badgers had another clear win, Riot Van kept their sails dryer than us to finish second. We capsized more in this one race than in 4 seasons of RS200 racing and finished an even more distant third.
Sunday dawned to the plants in Daves garden rustling around. 'Be windy at the club' said Dave and he was right. The breeze quickly built so that by 10am there was a sea of small white horses across the race course and a shrill noise from the rigging of the yachts in the marina. We made an early decision to sail up the M3, bits of various damage made the same decision obvious for all others except The Badger who seemed willing to tempt fate and race. However the constant wailing of the rigging even un-nerved Tim and the Badger eventually also stayed ashore with the rest of the aysmmetric handicap fleet. So the overall results based on Saturday are by my reckoning:
1. The Badger
2. The Samurai Rabbit - Usagi
3. Riot Van
........after than I'm not sure so perhaps Dave had the official results and can post them.
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I am pretty sure that the top 3 was Graham and Eddy in 3rd, Andy and Jill in 2nd, and... wait for it... Team Badgers Nadgers in First! We are most pleased with the result as this is the first time we have won a race at an event, let alone a whole event. We have come close on a few occasions, but managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory every time up to now. One memorable time was at Kielder when we dumped it in on the last run to let Will and Lucy through in Beans!
Our memories from the weekend... (apart from winning ;-) ) was the incredibly short and tight course crossing Mirrors, Toppers, Lasers, GP14's... etc, some excellent wind on Saturday, a brilliant hog roast and sun all weekend! Does it get any better than that?!
I will give Graham a chance to put some words down if he has time, but in the meantime I need to say thanks to Roland and Hayley for bringing the Badger down to Poole in the first place, despite it making a bid for freedom on a number of occasions... and also to Dave for taking the Badger home again to assist in its onward journey to Thornbury in a couple of weeks. It really is great to have people about who will literally go out of their way to help fellow class members, it makes me proud to be a member of such a great class!
Jill and Andy, I collected your Trophys which I can post or give to you when I see you next.
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Trophies, my word didn't realise there were some pots in the offing. If you could bring them to the Nationals that will be fine. Don't waste any money on postage. Well done for keeping the sails by far the dryest on Saturday. Well derserved win.
Tricky racing with all those slower boats chomping upwind on our course and tiring for the crew as the course was so small. We enjoyed it all, but by the third race Jill was knackered - she really does all the work, I just point the nose in roughly the right direction.
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Well this coming third and having to write up rule seems like a good incentive to be 4th.
The good news is that most of the detail has been covered above, which is just as well as my ability to retain data at this level left me several pints of lager ago.
What I can confirm, is that there was some swimming, but not as much as the reader may perceive, I think at least 3 boats (RV, UY and BN) made race 1 without a swim and Ronin maybe only one.
The races really were gruelling, I reckon a lap was taking about 9 minutes, 4 laps per race; as we rounded the top mark in the 2nd race my watch bleeped as we hoisted ... it bleeped one minute later as we dropped ... so its not surprising that there were a few more swims later as tired limbs came into play. I know Eddie was moaning like a big girls blouse and I have him on double homework this week as pennance.
Other things of note :-
- Often very close racing between all boats with places switching at marks regularly, this is shown in the results below
- Incredible boat handling practice navigating lasers on the start line, mirrors, toppers, GP's and XOD's during the course, hairy and often dowsnright dangerous!
- Excellent speed from shiny (before spinnaker issues) and ronin (before swims and dagger board snappage) and Pasta Frenzy (before I am not sure which issues !)
- And of course Roland/Hayleys amazing blast (I didnt see this but he told me to say it !)
I dont have a copy of the results, but I reckon they must look something like this
1 - Badgers Nadgers 3,1,1
2 - UY (God knows how you spell it) 1,2,3
3 - Riot Van 2,3,2
4 - Ronin 4,4,4 ?
Shiny, Slippy and Pasta Frenzy, sharing breakage honours
please feel free to edit !
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Sounds like good boat handling practice.
We had a weekend at Thornbury. sarah sailed her byte at the laser /byte open on saturday and came 5th overal. The amusing bit! Race one started with getting to the line too early near the port end bearing away and running out of water. Even with the byte's short daggerboard! after a Le MAn style start sghe caught up one place to finish 4th.
lesson to all for two weeks time, the line is on a shore transit and although the mud is quite soft, you can't sail through it.
the wind also started light and built to a 4-5.
We planned to do the long distance race to sharpness. Similar conditions as Poole with winds 20-35 knots. race canned and a round the cans race put on for those wishing to sail. We decided that we were not capable in E-Numbers in these winds and chickened out. Atum had visited Thornbury for the day and with Tim in the front launched to take part.
Launching: well wading the boat to the end of the mud spit. sailing off, capsizing putting the t foil down and then all went better. Showing off before the start by goose winging the jib on a dead run.
Atum hooned around the course after some more early capsizing and had some most 21+ knots reachs/runs. They eventually caught back up with the topper, laser 4.7 and the Ent and had to sail a lot more distance on the run to put the kite up and avoid a long two sailer. After an hour's race they took line honors. Both were apparently broken although had that Cheruby grin all over their faces.
later i had the job of taking the byte back to Frampton. Still windy so I sailed it in the pursuit race and came second. I had my sailing fix for the weekend.
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No breakages on Shiny.
Just some creative kite work.
It had a beautifuly crafted stem and a sterdy flat base with room for at least one bottle.
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Sounds legendary! Well done Noycey and Alex - excellent skills!
W
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(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4102/4761567548_2fe708a843.jpg)
I have a few photos from the event, sadly only 2 proper sailing shots as the rest are rigging ones. This is a personal fave though!
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Epic!
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tim, epic
well done also
thats a publ;icity shot for the class if iv ever seen one!